JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

For the TWU, the only stations that can have RDO are those that were grandfathered with the 2012 CBA. The Company doesn't want them but those stations that had them lobbied to keep them and they gained support from the rest of the system. Don't see that being expanded as it not widely sought after. If the Company continues to want everything consistent then those that have RDO may have themselves another fight on their hands.

Support from the rest of the system?

 

[Albert]

Anyway I'm sure that Al when he pops on and reads will be very happy that we're talking about it but I still just don't see it changing over there even if the company wants uniformity?

And with the other things I mentioned to Al yesterday. It sounds like if it's pushed it's going to be just one more hot mess added in to that already hot mess melting pot they got over there.

I think I've lost count of all the factions they got now?

You know Weez some shifts here don;'t rotate and I'm probably senior enough to get one but still. We are still in separate terminals and may be for the foreseeable future some may be one building will do one thing and the other another and you bid where you want to work. Wishful thinking on my part

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Do you know how many gained at LUS, no you don't. unless you were able to look at the US seniority list beforehand and making a comparison. Besides 30 years + seniority, who cares what happens that high up, NOT ME!

ok, and what is your point? what is the relevance of the number? do you even understand what the argument is all about?

on the other hand, you should think about 30 year people. if you are in a warm weather city and transfers open up after a contract & full integration.

we already know that the twu caved in on the seniority issue. is the iam fighting to protect a phx for scores of 10-12-15 year former america west guys...and, if so, will the twu cave in for that?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Al you're starting to sound Creamy now. Do I have to give you the "Dude"?

creamy people like to do research.

can you tell me what a legacy us air clerk was making per hour, pre-merger, and what they are making now? i know you know what legacy aa fscs were making per hour...pre and post merger.

 

[NYer]

Support from the rest of the system?

During the negotiations before the BK, the Company made a proposal to eliminate the RDO. The members of the negotiating committee supported the Local representing JFK-LGA-EWR and their desire to keep the system in place. So, they kept it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Support from the rest of the system?

Uh oh.

 

[WeAAsles]

creamy people like to do research.

can you tell me what a legacy us air clerk was making per hour, pre-merger, and what they are making now? i know you know what legacy aa fscs were making per hour...pre and post merger.

What's wrong with you man? I mean seriously? I know EXACTLY what they were making but what part of I don't give a (whoop) are you not getting?

BTW I was just talking to one of the TWU Presidents (maybe yours) and told him about your days long tirade and he said to relay this message to you.

"God has you exactly where he wants you to be"

No joke.

 

[bob@las-AA]

bob we handle Air Willy, Piedmont, Envoy, and Republic for the express carriers in addition to mainline LAA and LUS The morning shift they often repo 2 sometimes 3 jets depending on the time of the year and flight schedule On the flip side of things us folks on the afternoon and nights get royally screwed because just about anything that can happen will happen at some point or another I can honestly tell you Bob that working short staffed on pm shift is mighty old and I'm bringing it up with union rep this week we get multiple flights on the deck and for example tonite we had 2 CLT 1 DFW 1 MIA plus JFK on the ground at the same time not to mention for the first RON came in a whopping 30 min early took almost 35 min to off load due to the crew for that was on the MIA trip The crew off loading DFW cld not reload it right away with 1 in the bin and 1 down below while the third guy runs the bags to claim Bob this is the type of thing we deal with daily in our station Its far easy for you to say what you say due to the fact your in a hub and thus far more people In the last year or so weve lost more people than you will know and not a single one has been replaced we keep getting shorter and shorter by the month it seems and on days like today and yesterday with frigid temps our belt loaders are dying by the 3s and our GSE is having hard times keeping up I hope youre beginning to see the picture here but this is reality of what we in smaller stations do and put up with

AA 1479 PHX BWI 738
AA 2275 PHX BWI 738
AA 1924 CLT BWI 319
AA 1960 CLT BWI 320
AA 1962 CLT BWI 320
AA 2063 CLT BWI 319
AA 1970 CLT BWI 320
AA 2248 DFW BWI M80
AA 2361 DFW BWI 738
AA 2651 DFW BWI 738
AA 194 MIA BWI 738
AA 313 MIA BWI 738
AA *3397 ORD BWI ER4
AA *3426 ORD BWI ER4
AA *3472 ORD BWI ER4
AA 1479 PHX BWI 738
AA 2275 PHX BWI 738
AA *4030 PHL BWI CRJ
AA *4805 PHL BWI ER4
AA *3971 PHL BWI CRJ
Source[JetNet nonrev for 1/11/2017]

Your kidding me right? You make it seem that the working conditions are SO untenable. I was in ABQ in 2010for a few month, we had 10 flights a day, and we had 2 seasonal Eagle and 32 clerks to do it. And it takes 88 clerks at BWI to do the above? The days of the LUS overstaffing will soon be over with the new JCBA.

 

[robbedagain]

We have lost quite few people just in last 7 - 9 months dude. Not single one been replaced. Unlike you we do everything but cleaning. We are short staffed in the afternoon big time. It's far easier for you to say what you say but you're not in reality nor here. I am. I know what's going on. Yesterday we had a number of flights in the ground at same time and few of them had to wait to be parked serviced etc. AM shift has 20 agents plus 4 leads. PM has roughly 10 to 20 when adding 3 leads. However Bob, of the combined number of agents, we have 9 unavailable due to transfer, medical leave or termination. Of the leads 1 is coming back. I'm about 2 to 3 weeks time we will regain extra MIA, DFW, and ORD flights plus our red eye PHX too. So do not tell me we are over staffed. Tues thru Thurs are out typical heavy military movement days. Often 2 in a bin of a 738 n MD80. Airbus 321 lucky to have 2 in bin.

 

[Albert]

When I was under it I found it confusing. If I remember right FT rotates forward and PT rotates backwards? Some shifts don't rotate at all.

From a practical standpoint it was just weird IMO.

If say you are a kid going to school and you rotate off the days you have classes now you have to CS off two days and if you can't get a CS back for the days you didn't need off, now you're without the pay.

Anyway again the entire idea is very anti seniority. What's the point of even having seniority at all under that system?

Now you hit a walk off grand slam on a 3 and 2 count.

 

[Albert]

During the negotiations before the BK, the Company made a proposal to eliminate the RDO. The members of the negotiating committee supported the Local representing JFK-LGA-EWR and their desire to keep the system in place. So, they kept it.

I'd rather see a system wide vote on it I think that would be fair. I'd also like to take a pill and grow my hair back

 

[Albert]

creamy people like to do research.

can you tell me what a legacy us air clerk was making per hour, pre-merger, and what they are making now? i know you know what legacy aa fscs were making per hour...pre and post merger.

It's easy enough to find out but where you are trying to go with it is useless. Lets say we all benefited from the merger.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd rather see a system wide vote on it I think that would be fair. I'd also like to take a pill and grow my hair back

Not gonna happen Al.

Now you see the irony in all this? You've said that you have more flights but less people than the TWU side. So with the Association and that fact you were assigned over to the TWU.

The TWU in NYC like the rotation, gathered support to continue it and could win the ultimate argument to have it continue.

Maybe if years ago you had been advocating for more people to do the work you would have had the numbers and stayed IAM?

In which case your advocacy against rotating would have had more ears and won the day?

 

[WeAAsles]

It's easy enough to find out but where you are trying to go with it is useless. Lets say we all benefited from the merger.

Since the merger was announced I've gotten around in the 40% range for raises and you've gotten around 50%

Yes we ALL have benefitted from the merger.

 

[bob@las-AA]

We have lost quite few people just in last 7 - 9 months dude. Not single one been replaced. Unlike you we do everything but cleaning. We are short staffed in the afternoon big time. It's far easier for you to say what you say but you're not in reality nor here. I am. I know what's going on. Yesterday we had a number of flights in the ground at same time and few of them had to wait to be parked serviced etc. AM shift has 20 agents plus 4 leads. PM has roughly 10 to 20 when adding 3 leads. However Bob, of the combined number of agents, we have 9 unavailable due to transfer, medical leave or termination. Of the leads 1 is coming back. I'm about 2 to 3 weeks time we will regain extra MIA, DFW, and ORD flights plus our red eye PHX too. So do not tell me we are over staffed. Tues thru Thurs are out typical heavy military movement days. Often 2 in a bin of a 738 n MD80. Airbus 321 lucky to have 2 in bin.

I was hired in LAS, and spent 6.5 years worse off than you. Every GM we got said the same chit, we are going to get more work like BA and others to add to head count, but nothing. I transferred to DFW in 8/2014, and yes it is the land of milk and honey. To all the other smaller stations, buckle up butter cup it's only going to get worse. The year I left LAS, we had 27 mainline and 87 clerks and out of the 87, 8 were crew chiefs, I think. Sorry if I don't seem sympathetic.