JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I like that, the only thing it is also the definition of simple minded.Remember the scene from Goodfellas. He's an idiot and he doesn't care if the whole world knows but it sounds nicer in Italian

"And the meek shall inherit the Earth"

 

[Albert]

BTW I TRANSFERRED to MIA because I knew that it was the safest place to be with the Bankruptcy coming soon.

I educated myself. And I didn't expect life to hand me anything on a silver platter.

I seized my own destiny and twisted it to my will.

And I never cried over any of the spilt milk either.

Is that really why you transferred I heard an ex-girlfriends brothers were looking for you. Must have been one of those nasty Weaasles rumors

 

[Albert]

"And the meek shall inherit the Earth"

I guess I have something to look forward to

 

[WeAAsles]

Is that really why you transferred I heard an ex-girlfriends brothers were looking for you. Must have been one of those nasty Weaasles rumors

Just so you know I made up all the rumors about me myself.

I like to remain mysterious and ambiguous.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Ok let's make this simple since everything else is just spinning wheels going nowhere.

What was done to YOU? I don't care about everyone else including the poor family eating dirt in Ethiopia.

What's YOUR particular bone to pick that you've been railing about for days now here?

The thing that happened to YOU that isn't going to change no matter how many pages of posts you want to continue on with this?

I want to read YOUR story?

it's not about my own personal story, it's the story of hundreds, maybe 4 digit territory of the amount of workers in the legacy aa 'family' that have 2 seniority dates.

it appears there are 3-4 aa employees who post here and i doubt any of them have 2 seniority dates, which doesn't lessen the issue. the issue of fairness. when the union's slogan has been, 'an injustice to one, is an injustice to all'....it's disappointing, but not surprising, that many don't care because they believe the issue doesn't affect them. i got news for them...it has affected them, negatively.

at a personal level, i lumped it. big deal. i bid vc earlier and my profit sharing checks were a bit larger. i didn't really say anything through the years. many others did, to no avail. imagine if they posted here. now, blending the seniority lists - where i feel total unfairness, this is what compels me to post about it.

i have spoken to a few us air guys and spoken to the twu. i felt as though i had the best grasp on this issue as i could, without being someone who should know or could ever know, legacy us air's/iam seniority rules. after all, i could transfer to bos, twu makes a clerical error and i jump 2 years in seniority and no one would know anything about it...and who knew/should have known about this prior to the association forming was the twu. it was explained to me the twu signed off on this to form the association.

as far as the rest, i've seen enough strawman arguments, quotes taken out of context or just plain not reading someone's post...to feel as though i'm being humored or called thick-headed by a legacy us air guy who says an airline artificially inflated it's balance sheet before entering chapter 11. should i harp on that for 3 more pages?

anyways, it's done and i accept it. you asked me yesterday what gripe i had and i answered. i'm done with this here.

BTW I TRANSFERRED to MIA because I knew that it was the safest place to be with the Bankruptcy coming soon.

I educated myself. And I didn't expect life to hand me anything on a silver platter.

I seized my own destiny and twisted it to my will.

And I never cried over any of the spilt milk either.

that's all good.

 

[bob@las-AA]

thanks WeAA Bob I'm currently in BWI yes we are surely understaffed I cannot even tell you how bad it is couple in the fact our belt loaders well lets just say we need few more using one on 1 plane... today for example just 3 agents plus lead for 2 different AB aircraft one a 321 n the other 319 only reason the on time... pilot released brakes despite loading cart of bags Bob we are clearly not overstaffed we handle both mainline and express and I cannot even tell u that its bad on a good day when we have 3 or 4 coming at 1 time 2 express and 2 mainline and often 1 of those if express and a mainline are utilized by the same ground crew some of us myself included only do 1 flight at a time and however long it takes just as long as it gets done is how long itll be yesterday not much snow on the ground at bwi but having multiple planes with same crew me and my crew having 3 planes at same time.. id be willing to bet the pax were not happy waiting over 50 min for their bags from the DFW and PHX trips.... so tell me again HOW THE HELL ARE WE OVERSTAFFED bob its easy for you to say since ur in a hub and don't handle express planes we have on average 28 flights when combining mainline and express a day sometimes the flex flights to CLT and PHX makes it 30 so again bob tell me how are we overstaffed.....

First off, what express flights do you speak of. So I will tell ya I'm going to do. Looking at the data for 2016, it is short 2 months worth. Namely Nov and Dec. It takes time for the DOT to enter it into the database. So we will work on the 2015 schedule, because the data is still separated by airline and far more complete.

Because you can't have a debate about what you believe something to be if you aren't actually in the thick of it to completely understand.

Without knowing all the details you're only being presumptuous.

And you were hired in a small station, part time and was on the bid committee, no I don't think so. But hey! I was. So step aside sir, this is well within my realm of experience.

 

[WeAAsles]

it's not about my own personal story, it's the story of hundreds, maybe 4 digit territory of the amount of workers in the legacy aa 'family' that have 2 seniority dates.

it appears there are 3-4 aa employees who post here and i doubt any of them have 2 seniority dates, which doesn't lessen the issue. the issue of fairness. when the union's slogan has been, 'an injustice to one, is an injustice to all'....it's disappointing, but not surprising, that many don't care because they believe the issue doesn't affect them. i got news for them...it has affected them, negatively.

at a personal level, i lumped it. big deal. i bid vc earlier and my profit sharing checks were a bit larger. i didn't really say anything through the years. many others did, to no avail. imagine if they posted here. now, blending the seniority lists - where i feel total unfairness, this is what compels me to post about it.

i have spoken to a few us air guys and spoken to the twu. i felt as though i had the best grasp on this issue as i could, without being someone who should know or could ever know, legacy us air's/iam seniority rules. after all, i could transfer to bos, twu makes a clerical error and i jump 2 years in seniority and no one would know anything about it...and who knew/should have known about this prior to the association forming was the twu. it was explained to me the twu signed off on this to form the association.

as far as the rest, i've seen enough strawman arguments, quotes taken out of context or just plain not reading someone's post...to feel as though i'm being humored or called thick-headed by a legacy us air guy who says an airline artificially inflated it's balance sheet before entering chapter 11. should i harp on that for 3 more pages?

anyways, it's done and i accept it. you asked me yesterday what gripe i had and i answered. i'm done with this here.



that's all good.

All I got out of this honestly was the answer I was looking for.

You lost 2 years of seniority in the past and it's something that you never have and really never will get over.

Anyway. Happy New Year man.

 

[WeAAsles]

First off, what express flights do you speak of. So I will tell ya I'm going to do. Looking at the data for 2016, it is short 2 months worth. Namely Nov and Dec. It takes time for the DOT to enter it into the database. So we will work on the 2015 schedule, because the data is still separated by airline and far more complete.

And you were hired in a small station, part time and was on the bid committee, no I don't think so. But hey! I was. So step aside sir, this is well within my realm of experience.

When have you ever known me to step aside there Sir?

Again I feel you presume too much there Round Robin and you may wind up with your wings clipped on this one?

Hey they're your wings though.

 

[bob@las-AA]

i've been saying all along, legacy us air clerks acquired seniority in ways that one could not at aa...and now, they will be ahead of legacy aa fscs.



i never said screw the us air guys or wouldn't bother posting absurdly selfish me-me-me posts. what i said is the twu should have fought for it's members. if this guy gets seniority from piedmont or psa, then that guy gets seniority from reno or fueling, etc. to me, that's fair. the aa PTer gets full seniority, then the us air PTer gets the same.

you brought up twa and kashner. no idea why...but yes, icahn sold off twa's best assets - aa never flew to lhr from ord until we bought the twa route in 1991, i believe. twa was going to liquidate and aa picked the bones.

the twa hopefuls had no real leg to stand on..getting back 1959 seniority was a total pipe dream and not relevant to this aa/us air scenario.

as far as picking bones, we did the same to eastern. thanks to that deal, you have a spot in mia. how many eastern employees had to lose their job so you can feel safe in mia, ahead of newer us air employees? you told me that us air guys went through the wringer and it's great they got a huge pay raise, etc..etc. what about former eastern employees?

Do you know how many gained at LUS, no you don't. unless you were able to look at the US seniority list beforehand and making a comparison. Besides 30 years + seniority, who cares what happens that high up, NOT ME!

 

[Albert]

it's not about my own personal story, it's the story of hundreds, maybe 4 digit territory of the amount of workers in the legacy aa 'family' that have 2 seniority dates.

it appears there are 3-4 aa employees who post here and i doubt any of them have 2 seniority dates, which doesn't lessen the issue. the issue of fairness. when the union's slogan has been, 'an injustice to one, is an injustice to all'....it's disappointing, but not surprising, that many don't care because they believe the issue doesn't affect them. i got news for them...it has affected them, negatively.

at a personal level, i lumped it. big deal. i bid vc earlier and my profit sharing checks were a bit larger. i didn't really say anything through the years. many others did, to no avail. imagine if they posted here. now, blending the seniority lists - where i feel total unfairness, this is what compels me to post about it.

i have spoken to a few us air guys and spoken to the twu. i felt as though i had the best grasp on this issue as i could, without being someone who should know or could ever know, legacy us air's/iam seniority rules. after all, i could transfer to bos, twu makes a clerical error and i jump 2 years in seniority and no one would know anything about it...and who knew/should have known about this prior to the association forming was the twu. it was explained to me the twu signed off on this to form the association.

as far as the rest, i've seen enough strawman arguments, quotes taken out of context or just plain not reading someone's post...to feel as though i'm being humored or called thick-headed by a legacy us air guy who says an airline artificially inflated it's balance sheet before entering chapter 11. should i harp on that for 3 more pages?

anyways, it's done and i accept it. you asked me yesterday what gripe i had and i answered. i'm done with this here.



that's all good.

Yes they raised their own DIP money

 

[Albert]

All I got out of this honestly was the answer I was looking for.

You lost 2 years of seniority in the past and it's something that you never have and really never will get over.

Anyway. Happy New Year man.

Weez I was hired in March of 78 my seniority is late April of 78 I'm bored with the subject. In all my years I have never gone to a strip club during the day I don't know how Bob does it, guess it's the TX heat

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I was hired in March of 78 my seniority is late April of 78 I'm bored with the subject. In all my years I have never gone to a strip club during the day I don't know how Bob does it, guess it's the TX heat

Al if anyone screwed me out of a month seniority 38 years ago and I didn't get that month back on this decision, you'd hear me howling at the moon from 1600 miles away.

Ok yea I'm lieing here.

C'est La Vie (Such is Life)

BTW you old fart I was only 13 back in 78. Riding my green bike and being a horny little peeping Tom at the condos behind the railroad tracks.

 

[WeAAsles]

First off, what express flights do you speak of. So I will tell ya I'm going to do. Looking at the data for 2016, it is short 2 months worth. Namely Nov and Dec. It takes time for the DOT to enter it into the database. So we will work on the 2015 schedule, because the data is still separated by airline and far more complete.

And you were hired in a small station, part time and was on the bid committee, no I don't think so. But hey! I was. So step aside sir, this is well within my realm of experience.

BTW Bob I did hire in in a small station part time. I was never on the bid committee but since they did have me bid for shifts and days off I now consider myself a completely unqualified expert on all bidding manners, issues and staffing numbers.

There is no more unqualified, inexperienced expert you will find out there than myself.

Stick that in your pencil pocket Sir.

 

[T5towbar]

I still say rotating should be a system wide vote. Why do it with just a couple of stations and only certain jobs in those stations

I didn't know you guys had RDO's.
I thought that was a UA thing.......

Anyway, something like RDO's should be voted on by the members system wide. We have them in predominately sUA hubs and stations, but not my hub or IAH. To some of us, it seems problematic, but I think it should be an option on the bid line system wide. Start it on the Relief Lines first, and see what happens. People may like them. IMHO, it can't be all that bad in a line station where there are limited options (ie major seniority). But in a hub, it it much different if it hasn't been done before. Of course, hub life is different from working a line station, and it has it's own issues. And one of the major ones is finding a good bid line; work area; and the days you want off.

 

[Albert]

I didn't know you guys had RDO's.
I thought that was a UA thing.......

Anyway, something like RDO's should be voted on by the members system wide. We have them in predominately sUA hubs and stations, but not my hub or IAH. To some of us, it seems problematic, but I think it should be an option on the bid line system wide. Start it on the Relief Lines first, and see what happens. People may like them. IMHO, it can't be all that bad in a line station where there are limited options (ie major seniority). But in a hub, it it much different if it hasn't been done before. Of course, hub life is different from working a line station, and it has it's own issues. And one of the major ones is finding a good bid line; work area; and the days you want off.

My problem is I'll be going to rotating after almost 39 years with a set shift. I'm older but I don't know how you set up child care a second job or even coaching a baseball team with rotating days off. With LAA fleet it is only in JFK and LGA and not all jobs rotate which in my opinion makes it even more screwy