JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

My question is, what seniority are they going to go by? If they are giving DOH, everyone should get DOH. Once again, everyone should treated the same.
 
Rogue…..

They always go by doh. But, doh means about 20 different things. You start with doh then you subtract all the adjustment bs. Why? Because the iam never fought for true doh and just rolls over and says all the pre existing anti union practices of before are fine. Doesnt work out so great in mergers where one guy could have been hired years after you but bids before you if you got effed with only half your pt like at piedmont.

 

[Filter]

Tower planners and CLP will retain their seniority like in the past when groups have been forced into the union...accretion...remember, when you are management you only have one seniority date...once the NMB ruled that the tower planners were part of the class and craft of fleet they could not be adversely affected per the agreement...for example, if you gave them their classification date it would reshuffle the order they are in now...CLP were originally CLP/PIT so they will retain IAM status...Tower planners will belong to the union that represents that city.

 

[AANOTOK]

My understanding is that all Tower peeps will be or should be IAM, regardless if they work in DFW or ORD. The NMB made the ruling that catering, tower, CLP is all IAM exclusive work. NMB's decision wasn't station based either. For instance, CLP in DFW is IAM.
Thus, Tower in ORD ought to be IAM. Same in MIA, if they have tower there. Based on the NMB ruling. I hope Sito sticks with this.

So that goes against what the Association originally said. Stations that were TWU would remain so and stations that were IAM, the same.
Also, once we get a joint agreement, does that mean I will be offered training as a planner and be able to bid those positions when bids do roll around?

 

[Worldport]

So that goes against what the Association originally said. Stations that were TWU would remain so and stations that were IAM, the same.
Also, once we get a joint agreement, does that mean I will be offered training as a planner and be able to bid those positions when bids do roll around?

After the joint contract and if there is an opening you should be able to bid it kind of like you bidding for Air freight. Of course you will have to be trained.Here at LGA they have a separate vacation bid also. What is interesting a lot of union work at LUS is performed by managers at AA We shall see what happens

 

[we're screwed]

So that goes against what the Association originally said. Stations that were TWU would remain so and stations that were IAM, the same.
Also, once we get a joint agreement, does that mean I will be offered training as a planner and be able to bid those positions when bids do roll around?

I smell the ole local agreement. That will be what's not printed on the many blank pages of the joint contract.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

LAA has Tower Planners, which I believe are equivalent to LUS Operations. They are non union. If I am understanding this correctly, they will be brought into the union. They have no union time, no union seniority. Once they are brought into the union, how will they be placed seniority wise?
 
Rogue…..

 
Refer your complaints to the IAM, they wanted the job in the fleet service classification.
They got their way (again).Now deal with it.

 

[Worldport]

 
Refer your complaints to the IAM, they wanted the job in the fleet service classification.
They got their way (again).Now deal with it.

A lot of senior, senior people work the position. Why on earth would you not want that as a fleet job?

 

[Racer X]

So that goes against what the Association originally said. Stations that were TWU would remain so and stations that were IAM, the same.
Also, once we get a joint agreement, does that mean I will be offered training as a planner and be able to bid those positions when bids do roll around?

. I Believe the association agreement was that stations that where the greater number of members ( IAM or TWU) that station would remain with their respective representation. Other stations were then divied up to keep the numbers relative to each UNION

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

A lot of senior, senior people work the position. Why on earth would you not want that as a fleet job?

 
It may be a plum job for LUS, we at AA never gave a thought to it.

 

[Worldport]

 
It may be a plum job for LUS, we at AA never gave a thought to it.

Well now you'll get a chance if you want and that's good

 

[AANOTOK]

It may be a plum job for LUS, we at AA never gave a thought to it.

If it's a "plum" job, AA will do their best to outsource it.

 

[Worldport]

If it's a "plum" job, AA will do their best to outsource it.

It's not really "plum" you need a good crew plus you are pretty much in there the whole day,not to mention irregular ops. But it is an option and the more we have the better.

 

[ograc]

DOH vs. Classification Seniority Date. IAM Pension vs. 401K Company Match. The membership seems divided on both issues. Many issues and Articles remain unresolved. I would encourage all members to apply due diligence and patience. The terms of a ratified JCBA will, most likely, be in place for 4-7 years. For the future of our classified work and careers let's get this right. Let's get an industry leading agreement. I hope both, the Association of the combined IAM/TWU membership at AA, and the members are in agreement. 

 

[charlie Brown]

. I Believe the association agreement was that stations that where the greater number of members ( IAM or TWU) that station would remain with their respective representation. Other stations were then divied up to keep the numbers relative to each UNION

With the interim agreement, all AA tower planners as well as load planners were acreeted into the current IAM contract. They have a full grievance procedure under the IAM contract meaning they are represented currently by the IAM. You will IMO see some of these tower positions switched over to TWU once the jcba is reached. Don't know which ones or how many. Just my opinion. But the IAM was the only one that could argue to the NMB that those were union positions, since they were and have been non union positions with AA.

 

[robbedagain]

I believe DOH is truly the fairest way    The classification date can really can be messy     I say this bec for one example we have 2 agents   one has higher seniority but bids under the other guy  all due to his classification   he was PT at PI before they upgraded him to FT  and then the merger    if this were DOH  this agent would bid in his right spot