JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

thanks   our pt in the am shift usually either 4 to 1030 or 5 to 1030 get hammered with a PHL commuter followed by heavy flights...PHX  (redeye plus working the out bound plane to CLT as well) as the PHX which is a repo flight from one gate  and then DFW and MIA    this is roughly 5 days a week for the PT   On my typical shift  we get 2 DFW and 1 PHX plus either JFK commuter (heavy inbound due to intl connecting pax to our city) and either a clt or phl flights

 

[ograc]

Changing gears. Let's compare the remedial action granted, on an awarded OT bypass grievance, between existing contracts (IAM LUS vs. TWU AA). $$$ issue here. The floor is open.

 

[AANOTOK]

To me, the difference in OT bypass should not be something that prevents a T/A. If I understand the LUS way, if you get bypassed, you are offered OT at another time but are not paid bypass money. At AA, if we are on the bypass end, we get paid either the fours holdover, or eight hours day off if they get someone with more accumulated OT hours. If I were a company, I would try and remove that. Pay the guy who actually works, and then pay the other for sitting at home. Kinda crazy if you ask me.
 
Just as crazy to me is having me scheduled eight and one half hours, but only pay me eight. Ridiculous as well.

 

[robbedagain]

I kinda like that idea Annotok   although in our station our admin clerk loves to chop time off if its a FT getting OT   and sometimes its real awful to the point the FT may reject it all together     others will sign up for both just to get the OT 
If bypassed the affected individual ought to get paid in addition to the one who is actually working

 

[ograc]

To me, the difference in OT bypass should not be something that prevents a T/A. If I understand the LUS way, if you get bypassed, you are offered OT at another time but are not paid bypass money. At AA, if we are on the bypass end, we get paid either the fours holdover, or eight hours day off if they get someone with more accumulated OT hours. If I were a company, I would try and remove that. Pay the guy who actually works, and then pay the other for sitting at home. Kinda crazy if you ask me.
 
Just as crazy to me is having me scheduled eight and one half hours, but only pay me eight. Ridiculous as well.

 
Are the hours paid based on applicable rate of pay the grievant would have been paid had they not been bypassed?
 

 

[AANOTOK]

 
Are the hours paid based on applicable rate of pay the grievant would have been paid had they not been bypassed?
 

Paid as though you worked the OT.

 

[AANOTOK]

An example of mine is this:
 
I was off on a Sunday.
I signed for PM day off as I knew someone was out and it needed coverage.
Did not get called day off.
The individual who was working the AM shift of the PM shift that needed coverage was held four hours. Then that individual was held another four hours to complete that shift. I was told by the union that it was legal cause AA can distribute the OT as they see fit when deciding between holding over and calling in day off. I disagreed and told them I had both less hours, and I also was at home wanting to work eight hours. The other individual already had worked eight hours. The union would not pursue the grievance and I took it to our station manager. He agreed 100% that it was clearly a bypass and had me get paid. So, even though there are rules, they can be interpreted different ways. This particular case fell in the favoritism category...and it cost them.

 

[ograc]

An example of mine is this:
 
I was off on a Sunday.
I signed for PM day off as I knew someone was out and it needed coverage.
Did not get called day off.
The individual who was working the AM shift of the PM shift that needed coverage was held four hours. Then that individual was held another four hours to complete that shift. I was told by the union that it was legal cause AA can distribute the OT as they see fit when deciding between holding over and calling in day off. I disagreed and told them I had both less hours, and I also was at home wanting to work eight hours. The other individual already had worked eight hours. The union would not pursue the grievance and I took it to our station manager. He agreed 100% that it was clearly a bypass and had me get paid. So, even though there are rules, they can be interpreted different ways. This particular case fell in the favoritism category...and it cost them.

I'm sure there are gray areas such as the one you just referenced. Both contracts have language that needs tightened up to reduce the gray areas. This is but one example. Too much left to interpretation in both. The way I see it; under the LUS contract, the remedial action granted does not cost the company anything. Some would argue it disadvantages the next guy, signed up for the next shift of OT, that is offered to me first as remedial action awarded for an error. In the end... no disadvantage to the company. No accountability for contractual violation. 

 

[P. REZ]

If we go by what Prez said, he has a point. It's one way of looking at it. I disagree with Prez, although his viewpoint clearly benefits me and the current way of things. I only would gain 3 months but lose 300 spots.I look at the situation more broadly and try to apply the same to each group, as opposed to each person. For that reason, I think straight DOH "Boots on the ground". That would also benefit the old piedmont group, and that is my bias.It isn't going to go that way as the IAM has fought against this from day one, but this is one aspect that me and Prez disagree on. Neither is right or wrong, it's just two different methods with different outcomes.

I didn't say I didn't agree with you or anybody else on the matter, I am merely stating the reason it won't change.

P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

P Rez or CB ?[/size]

I would agree with your assessment.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Hot chick with a Mercedes I saw your video you ain't exactly a Brad Pitt. You have a 20 year old car and a sofa from Bobs Discount what exactly is so appealing oh will you be seeing her again?

His crew works five it is my understanding the Weez works two

 

[Worldport]

The Weez is actually a good guy he contacted me and said he would be fading away from this forum I'm assuming he found a Adult site he finds more entertaining and will focus on that for the next few days or until he gets tired I don't know this for sure but it is what I've done several times

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Worldport, on 23 Aug 2016 - 7:04PM, said:
 
The Weez is actually a good guy he contacted me and said he would be fading away from this forum I'm assuming he found a Adult site he finds more entertaining and will focus on that for the next few days or until he gets tired I don't know this for sure but it is what I've done several times
 

 

[Ramp Rogue]

I didn't say I didn't agree with you or anybody else on the matter, I am merely stating the reason it won't change.

P. Rez

 
What is the reason that it won't change?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

It isn't going to go that way as the IAM has fought against this from day one, but this is one aspect that me and Prez disagree on. Neither is right or wrong, it's just two different methods with different outcomes.

 
To my knowledge, no one has publicly stated on this website or anywhere else that it can be read, why the iam is so against DOH Seniority. Why has the iam fought against it so hard? The iam is always preaching fair, but the iam doesn't produce fair.