JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

So the TWU takes over when, and what differences will be noticeable? Would this have anything to do with your "gut instinct".
How long will the TWU be the leaders?

 

[WeAAsles]

So the TWU takes over when, and what differences will be noticeable? Would this have anything to do with your "gut instinct".
How long will the TWU be the leaders?

No Arthur Conan Doyle book or secret decoder ring on my gut instinct. And I'm actually not sure when they take over the chair to tell you the truth? Not even sure after the wage agreement that Harry and Sito (and Lawyers) went in and came out together with that it really matters anymore or for now.

When the TWU does take over the chair it's for two years.

Do you think after the wage deal again for now any pressure really needs or should be applied to the company? Can you imagine a bunch of $30 per hour Baggage Handlers complaining to the flying public that we don't have our 10 Hollidays at Double Time yet and we're demanding 6 weeks PAID vacations.

Not sure it would go over too well IMO.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The Association formation itself was a deal done behind the scenes that no President or IAM AGC or members got to vote on. 

In the TWU (and I suspect the IAM as well) it's the International's who ultimately own the contracts.
 
And in the TWU at least which is where I have my 21 years of experience they have done many dealings behind the scenes. 

Which is exactly why the membership needs to send the TWU packing.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I am interested in information regarding the CS policy.
 
My understanding is it is part of the contract negotiations. 
 
Does anyone have any information on the policy?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Saw this on Facebook today.
 
https://www.facebook.com/ramplivesmatter/videos/322679514737583/

 

[WeAAsles]

Which is exactly why the membership needs to send the TWU packing.

Yes. With my $30 per hour I'll personally buy them the nice Versace bag to do it with. LMAO.

 

[WeAAsles]

I am interested in information regarding the CS policy.
 
My understanding is it is part of the contract negotiations. 
 
Does anyone have any information on the policy?

Why? Are you planning to come back? I thought you said you had moved on from AA? If you come back please stear clear of MIA ok.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And before anyone comes back with a comment about a final deal being done behind the scenes. The Association formation itself was a deal done behind the scenes that no President or IAM AGC or members got to vote on. And now this wage deal was made behind the scenes but thankfully brought to our negotiators for a vote of acceptance which was given.

In the TWU (and I suspect the IAM as well) it's the International's who ultimately own the contracts. And in the TWU at least which is where I have my 21 years of experience they have done many dealings behind the scenes. The debate always being if those deals were really in the best interests of the membership or not?

And I'm certainly NOT saying anything is being taken out of the hands of our negotiators or ultimately us when we get to vote on a full JCBA.

Again I'm just floating out a gut instinct from personal experience and what has gone on so far with this merger.

(Remember when one day the CWA negotiators said they were at a standstill and the next day suddenly they had a deal)

This necogiation committee has not been grafted in the loop yet. They were completely left out with the wage reopener and had no idea. I suspect that's how the JCBA will go for the most part. Since the INTL union is the one that has authority, and not the district [violating our bylaws], the INTL has agreed to at least 3 side bar negotiations with the TWU and company to see where everyone is at regarding key issues. They do this in hope of seeing where each party is and if they are in the same ballpark then they proceed. At least 2 of these meetings, they weren't even close and it seems as if NYer's opinion is more likely to come true [hope not] than yours. Every Association member wants a JCBA if it means more advancing. I'm not sure the company is going to be responsive. Yes, the company may want more as well, but the cross utilization has put it in a very manageable situation.

 

[WeAAsles]

This necogiation committee has not been grafted in the loop yet. They were completely left out with the wage reopener and had no idea. I suspect that's how the JCBA will go for the most part. Since the INTL union is the one that has authority, and not the district [violating our bylaws], the INTL has agreed to at least 3 side bar negotiations with the TWU and company to see where everyone is at regarding key issues. They do this in hope of seeing where each party is and if they are in the same ballpark then they proceed. At least 2 of these meetings, they weren't even close and it seems as if NYer's opinion is more likely to come true [hope not] than yours. Every Association member wants a JCBA if it means more advancing. I'm not sure the company is going to be responsive. Yes, the company may want more as well, but the cross utilization has put it in a very manageable situation.

As much as I want to see this finished and as a matter of fact going all the way back to 2003. The reality is that we are now much more comfortable on an individual basis then we were a few weeks ago. Like I said back in the thread. Everything else is just icing on a very rich cake.

The topped out member is now making almost $400.00 per week or $1600.00 more per month than the average American worker. At least with that I think we can now breath out and it takes away a massive amount of pressure on both our negotiators and the Company from the membership.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm

The people at this moment though that I still feel sorry for are the commuters and anyone still on the street who is waiting to come back. Overall of course that percentage is very low against the majority of us and we can't settle just to get them back their comforts, but they can't be forgotten either.

On another note. Our negotiators may have been left out of the loop when it came to negotiating this deal but they did get to vote on it to pass on to us before it was accepted. I believe if something like that were to happen again they would receive the same courtesy by majority decision.

There were 5 negotiators for that CWA deal and unfortunately one was against it and he was swept aside against the majority. He was kept out of the roadshows because of that but he did make his feelings very public on Social Media and did have the support of one other President who represented a large local as well but wasn't part of the negotiations.

 

[Racer X]

You must be reading the wage opener by applying it exhaustively in a joint collective way. That would be incorrect. The wage reopener was not joint but was inserted into each separate contract and applies in the context of the twu contract for laa, and iam contract for lus.
 
In application, it not only remains consistent to have one metal cross utilized, as opposed to 2, but its also currently being applied that way.  I believe you are misinterpreting it and i am not convinced the language allows you to blanket the protection. Hopefully, you are correct and all 1,250 laa are now protected from laa in ord, not just 60 lus. 

i believe i am correct.    It states all  ''association'' represented employees .......    Also in the first paragraph it states   the agreeement is between American Airlines and the TWU/IAM Fleet Association   

 

[Tim Nelson]

i believe i am correct.    It states all  ''association'' represented employees .......    Also in the first paragraph it states   the agreeement is between American Airlines and the TWU/IAM Fleet Association

Again, you are assuming a blanket joint agreement. Based on your reading, you are saying that all laa in mia and ord have protections now? I can assure you that is incorrect and only lus has such protections since cross utilization is metal sensitive.

 

[Racer X]

Again, you are assuming a blanket joint agreement. Based on your reading, you are saying that all laa in mia and ord have protections now? I can assure you that is incorrect and only lus has such protections since cross utilization is metal sensitive.

With all respect for your opinion.....i believe with the LOA once one group [LAA or LUS ] performs work currently done by the other group that triggers the cross utilization language .........which includes the protection.   

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I am interested in information regarding the CS policy.
 
My understanding is it is part of the contract negotiations. 
 
Does anyone have any information on the policy?

Why? Are you planning to come back? I thought you said you had moved on from AA? If you come back please stear clear of MIA ok.

If you were the intellectual you thought you were you would not ask such a stupid question, logic and reason would provide the answer. That and I have told you why about 10 times. You just don't listen. 
 
I will ask again.
 
Does anyone know anything of the (if it exist) contractual agreement on the CS Policy. Is the information Fleet specific or is it a blanket agreement for all TWU title groups?

 

[Racer X]

With all respect for your opinion.....i believe with the LOA once one group [LAA or LUS ] performs work currently done by the other group that triggers the cross utilization language .........which includes the protection.   

P Rez or CB ?

 

[Racer X]

If you were the intellectual you thought you were you would not ask such a stupid question, logic and reason would provide the answer. That and I have told you why about 10 times. You just don't listen. 
 
I will ask again.
 
Does anyone know anything of the (if it exist) contractual agreement on the CS Policy. Is the information Fleet specific or is it a blanket agreement for all TWU title groups?

CS language has already been agreed to for  fleet    not positive about the MTC groups