JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Jester]

The point is to continue to try to divide and conquer. To make the Association look bad. Whether they (the rock throwers) like it or not, today the Association came through.

Let the creeps pound sand.

 
No, Doug Parker came through out of desperation because the Association couldn't get its act together.  I have a difficult time giving credit for the C.F. that the Association created when two disparate organizations couldn't agree on common points.

 

[Black Magic]

Thank you uncle Doug for stepping in and doing the right thing! Its obvious the company has more $$ than it knows what to do with so no point in waiting for the worthless association. So now thequestion is when is the IAM going to hike up our dues again even though they had no part in this raise.

 

[Other People]

First off, my perspective is from a LUS perspective, i.e., IAM. The cross utilization was already happening regarding the IAM's work, so this agreement gave up nothing along those lines. In fact, this agreement increased work on our end since the TWU gave up cross utilization. Not busting on the TWU, just merely making a point that, from my perspective, we didn't lose work at all. This is the first contract I have supported as an IAM member. I refrained from supporting the last contract although I didn't campaign against it. This contract has my support because it serves our members and puts the members first by"
1. Best wage in the industry
2. Best health care in the industry
3. best scope in the industry
4. Keep part time caps.
5. due to cross utilization, best job protection in the industry as nobody can be laid off in a cross utilized station.

In fact, a case can be made for the IAM to just walk away from negotiations until 2017. I personally am not comfortable with having only 5 weeks of vacation, only 7 holidays, and a sick day disaster, no shift differ, and restrictions on double time, mimimal retirement contribution. That said, we can reduce what I just said to the want of 10 more paid days off and an enhanced retirement contribution. IMO, we ought to consider this a few touchdowns in the first half and only a FG for management [TWU cross utilization]. A second half to play so we still ought to be able to pick a few things up.

But, yes, I support this agreement as I think it represents the desires of the members and rightly reflects many of their past sacrifices without giving up nothing on the IAM side. So the question is, what leverage does Parker have to get us to sign a new deal, if such a deal isn't also a net positive gain?

But I thought you said yesterday that parker was the one who did this because your association couldn't get its act together? And why did maintenance get more? Once again, fleet service gets less.

 

[Black Magic]

Double post deleted

 

[Tim Nelson]

But I thought you said yesterday that parker was the one who did this because your association couldn't get its act together? And why did maintenance get more? Once again, fleet service gets less.

Item 1: The mechanics.
They couldn't base their increase off of United since the United mechanics have not participated in their profits yet. IMO Parker delivered and treated us fairly in regards to wages. I'm not sure why we are even having this discussion???

Item 2: Parker
Yes, of course I give Parker credit. This happened because Parker mobilized and realized he needed a wage re-opener due to the clear and present conflicts between the TWU and IAM during key sidebars that I mentioned. The central contention is that the IAM wants the IAMPF shoved down everyone's throats and was willing to take less wage and tack it on the IAMPF.
Earlier in the week, it didn't appear that the IAM would sign on to this agreement until the TWU had enough of the political BS. If the IAM didn't sign on, there would have been turmoil and the TWU may have left the association. That last part is pure speculation on my part but the TWU was instrumental in getting the IAM to go along with this to secure Parker's wishes and the members wishes. However, if the IAM bosses want to take credit, who cares? Let them. The members and Parker got what they wanted. To clarify, when I say TWU, I'm not referring to the negotiation committee per say but peeps above them. Same with IAM. Almost all of the negotiators had NOTHING to do with this until it was presented to them. This was almost a complete byproduct of sidebar negotiations between the big dogs.

 

[WeAAsles]

Who the HELL cares how we got to the money????? Yes thank you Doug, Issom, BOD, Mechanics, Rampers, Investors, TWU, IAM, Harry, Alex, Sito, Jimbo, Glass, Earth, Wind, Fire but especially passengers since they're the ones who keep the lights on.

 

[Worldport]

 
No, Doug Parker came through out of desperation because the Association couldn't get its act together.  I have a difficult time giving credit for the C.F. that the Association created when two disparate organizations couldn't agree on common points.

Water under the bridge but not one of you stood up and asked about negotiations at yesterdays town hall. You guys are still so AW

 

[Tim Nelson]

and the thing that drove this was the October cutover. Parker wants more productivity and 'seamlessness' in the context of the merger. Things are changing and coming online as one in October with most aspects of this company. Not having cross utilization with the TWU would have been a thorough annoyance to the progression of this merger in Parker's view.

The big question now will be how does Parker get a JCBA? It would seem to suggest that we get even more 'cost positive' from a LUS perspective because what incentive will the IAM have to sign a JCBA unless it is a goodie. I mean, we have the best scope, best wages, best health care, part time caps, job protection due to cross utilization, etc.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Water under the bridge but not one of you stood up and asked about negotiations at yesterdays town hall. You guys are still so AW

that's because most of them read my post and already understood that they were getting a pay raise they wanted. Weasel was demanding that they stand up or that he would stand up and do it, but he just don't listen and made himself look goofy by saying 'zero chance'.

Of course, his peeps are a lot lower on the totem pole than my boy Ned.

 

[Worldport]

and the thing that drove this was the October cutover. Parker wants more productivity and 'seamlessness' in the context of the merger. Things are changing and coming online as one in October with most aspects of this company. Not having cross utilization with the TWU would have been a thorough annoyance to the progression of this merger in Parker's view.

The big question now will be how does Parker get a JCBA? It would seem to suggest that we get even more 'cost positive' from a LUS perspective because what incentive will the IAM have to sign a JCBA unless it is a goodie. I mean, we have the best scope, best wages, best health care, part time caps, job protection due to cross utilization, etc.

Are you sure LUS is keeping their Healthcare

 

[Worldport]

that's because most of them read my post and already understood that they were getting a pay raise they wanted. Weasel was demanding that they stand up or that he would stand up and do it, but he just don't listen and made himself look goofy by saying 'zero chance'.

Of course, his peeps are a lot lower on the totem pole than my boy Ned.

I wont speak for the Weez but negotiation wise it does defy logic. Guess all the crap about the company's demands for concessions is B/S. Tim will you be calling the negotiators out on this

 

[Tim Nelson]

I wont speak for the Weez but negotiation wise it does defy logic. Guess all the crap about the company's demands for concessions is B/S. Tim will you be calling the negotiators out on this

No. Let bygone's be bygone's. I told everyone about the sidebars and how the IAM was being D*cks about the IAMPF and the contention it was causing. The Association put out a dopey update how Parker was stalling. Parker was NEVER stalling and I knew that and told peeps that Parker was right in his video, based on the sidebars that have happened between less than a handful of people [Ned is a really really popular person who I'm sure you know]. That said, in a twisted way, Prez ended up right and so did Weasel. Didn't happen as they thought, both were very negative towards Parker. But at the end of the day, we have a better contract than the CWA on the LUS side. And that's all that matters. We are leading industry contract. A first at LUS. "Christmas in August" thanks to Parker.

 

[bob@las-AA]

that's because most of them read my post and already understood that they were getting a pay raise they wanted. Weasel was demanding that they stand up or that he would stand up and do it, but he just don't listen and made himself look goofy by saying 'zero chance'.Of course, his peeps are a lot lower on the totem pole than my boy Ned.

Whamo, a shot to the nads.

 

[Worldport]

Whamo, a shot to the nads.

I'm sure he's wearing a cup

 

[WeAAsles]

that's because most of them read my post and already understood that they were getting a pay raise they wanted. Weasel was demanding that they stand up or that he would stand up and do it, but he just don't listen and made himself look goofy by saying 'zero chance'.Of course, his peeps are a lot lower on the totem pole than my boy Ned.

Yep. Still say ZERO chance. You're dreaming Tim. It's your meds, Ned. Or should we call your guy Jerry? (No doubt)

Tell Jerry I said hi ok.