JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[cltrat]

I prefer bidding and staying on my own gate as much as possible. If you have enough seniority you can bid a decent gate with a decent gatehouse. Makes life easier to head to the same place every day.

I understand that but I don't think I'd care for it.My seniority is middle of the row so probably not a great gate but not a terrible one either. The you have to wonder what days off are attached to a given gate .I'm not sure what a gatehouse is but I have a good ideal,there's no such animal in CLT ,just one breakroom per team.

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand that but I don't think I'd care for it.My seniority is middle of the row so probably not a great gate but not a terrible one either. The you have to wonder what days off are attached to a given gate .I'm not sure what a gatehouse is but I have a good ideal,there's no such animal in CLT ,just one breakroom per team.

I hear ya. You know it's also 9 times out of 10 just what you're used to and change gets us human animals a little confused, lol.

 

[Talos]

Bob nothing personal but it's also about seniority. Most guys (Like me) when they've been with the job long enough stop complaining. We get to the point where we realize the complaints aren't changing anything anyway and are only causing ourselves the grief.

You come in, do what you need to do and go home safe and in one piece. Simple.

Very true. Seniority rules the roost. It doesn't take long to figure out the better work areas. At DFW there is a pretty big difference in AM shift to PM shift. Either way, if you are a good hard worker you will be appreciated. I've worked a lot of zone support which involves helping heavy trips, lunch relief for crews, and quick turns.If you take care of your own business with a good work ethic on a constant basis you are in real good shape. Can not control others.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob nothing personal but it's also about seniority. Most guys (Like me) when they've been with the job long enough stop complaining. We get to the point where we realize the complaints aren't changing anything anyway and are only causing ourselves the grief.
You come in, do what you need to do and go home safe and in one piece. Simple.

I think you miss-loaded my post. But more later, some are working.

 

[Tim Nelson]

bidding and working with the same people everyday helps build the work relationship that makes it easier to come to work and a better quality of work life that imo is more productive. The more stability, the more peace of mind. I've even seen senior people work on the heaviest gates to stick together with a particular lead. As long as everyone is healthy and comfortable with eachother, the workload doesn't matter. When someone gets stuck somewhere where they dont' wanna be, they end up skipping their assignments because they are a few gates over talking to their buddies.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

here having a good relationship with the assign lead never hurts when it comes to getting a good crew

Unfortunately, a "good relationship" with some assign leads includes listening to their problems, bringing them coffee from Starbucks, bringing them biscuits from Bojangles... I don't do it. But I always get the flights from DFW, LAX, SEA, PHX, MIA, ORD... But I got principles and my dignity.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm wondering if anyone has read the AFA UAL FA TA that they are voting on right now? Particularly benefits from page 209 down.

Here's a few items I've noticed.

For their medical costs they will pay monthly in 2017, 10% of the total cost to be insured with 3 medical level options. In 2018 that goes up to 12.5% and in 2019 that goes up to 15% (Currently on the PMAA side we're paying 20% of the total cost)

Retirement:

On the PMUAL side they are going to have a 5% contribution and a 3% match. (There's that 3% shell game I was talking about again)

On the PMCO side they have a tiered 401k match by years of service. The max is members over 15 years will get a 6% match plus they will also be getting raises to the company's contribution to the CARP plan (Continental Airlines Retirement Plan) 

They also have a retiree bridge medical plan from 60 to 65 that utilizes their sick bank (We need a replenishment of our bank in negotiations)

We have to be keenly aware of items in other contracts in our industry because I can guarantee the Company will be looking to shortchange us with the lure of direct wages against other items that contain a lot of value. 

  http://ourcontract.org/docs/ta/ta-full.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

(xiii)
Retirement Board
. There shall be established a Retirement Board for the purpose of hearing and determining all disputes between the Company and
its Flight Attendant employees, retirees, and their beneficiaries, which may arise under the terms of the 401(k) Plan or the UK Group Stakeholders Plan (which shall be collectively referred to herein as the “Retirement Programs”) concerning participation in or claims for benefits under the Retirement Programs, including hardship withdrawals, provided, however, that the Company shall have exclusive
authority to select, appoint, replace, deal with, and direct trustees, insurance companies, investment managers, actuaries, and any other e
ntities involved with the Retirement Programs:

 

[Kev3188]

I'm wondering if anyone has read the AFA UAL FA TA that they are voting on right now? Particularly benefits from page 209 down.

Here's a few items I've noticed.

For their medical costs they will pay monthly in 2017, 10% of the total cost to be insured with 3 medical level options. In 2018 that goes up to 12.5% and in 2019 that goes up to 15% (Currently on the PMAA side we're paying 20% of the total cost)

Retirement:

On the PMUAL side they are going to have a 5% contribution and a 3% match. (There's that 3% shell game I was talking about again)

On the PMCO side they have a tiered 401k match by years of service. The max is members over 15 years will get a 6% match plus they will also be getting raises to the company's contribution to the CARP plan (Continental Airlines Retirement Plan) 

They also have a retiree bridge medical plan from 60 to 65 that utilizes their sick bank (We need a replenishment of our bank in negotiations)

We have to be keenly aware of items in other contracts in our industry because I can guarantee the Company will be looking to shortchange us with the lure of direct wages against other items that contain a lot of value. 

  http://ourcontract.org/docs/ta/ta-full.pdf

Bridge medical is huge, and if done right can be win win for the company and labor both...

 

[WeAAsles]

Bridge medical is huge, and if done right can be win win for the company and labor both...

It's much better than what we have now currently on the PMAA side, squat (bankruptcy) On our side also currently when you go to retire they will cash out your sick bank at $25.00 per day. The company has made an improvement on that with the lower management ranks to the tune of $8.00 per hour instead.

Since the US side still has a retiree medical bridge using 11 hours (as I recall) per month until exhausted, at least that's something.

At least with that even if the member has not accumulated a ton of hours in his bank (again I'd like to see a replenishment) they could leave early and fall right in to Medicaid at 65 or not have to worry about going in to the ACA right away.

 

[Worldport]

I think our CBA will be better. I don't think we can get to a vote in August or September. We have 5 sessions scheduled through the end of August with roughly 15-18 articles to complete. We have been working on 7-8 of those articles so we are moving forward. A vote would be roughly 45 days after everything is TA'd.

P. Rez

Weez is that "classic" going to make it through another winter I know you are in MIA but I heard you ran over something the other day and half of your quarterpanel fell off and the interior roof has dry-rot 

 

[Worldport]

I think our CBA will be better. I don't think we can get to a vote in August or September. We have 5 sessions scheduled through the end of August with roughly 15-18 articles to complete. We have been working on 7-8 of those articles so we are moving forward. A vote would be roughly 45 days after everything is TA'd.

P. Rez

Might as well wait until after open-enrollment so LUS  can keep their medical for another year. I know you are working hard, but nothing until at least November (at best) is a real disappointment.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez is that "classic" going to make it through another winter I know you are in MIA but I heard you ran over something the other day and half of your quarterpanel fell off and the interior roof has dry-rot

Actually not planning on getting a new car until at least a year after we get the raises now. She's in spectacular shape.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's much better than what we have now currently on the PMAA side, squat (bankruptcy) On our side also currently when you go to retire they will cash out your sick bank at $25.00 per day. The company has made an improvement on that with the lower management ranks to the tune of $8.00 per hour instead.

Since the US side still has a retiree medical bridge using 11 hours (as I recall) per month until exhausted, at least that's something.

At least with that even if the member has not accumulated a ton of hours in his bank (again I'd like to see a replenishment) they could leave early and fall right in to Medicaid at 65 or not have to worry about going in to the ACA right away.

Ours uses 33 hours per month. Not 11. I think UA's is 11 hours a month. The difference is that the LUS only credits each hour as $11.25 or something around $11. Using up 33 hours a month, and that doesn't satisfy the whole contribution, is better than what you guys have but it burns up quick. Never mind that a retiree gets no dental. We have to work on these things and I'm hopeful that this can be resolved in a fairer way. At UA, many more would have exercised the buyout etc, but the company attached the buyout to a group and not individuals. So, the ramp never got the opportunity for a greater buyout ( I think it was $100,000) because they didn't cross the bar of having x amount of employees sign up for it. I think it would have further benefitted the company and the individual if they would have done it by individual.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Weez is that "classic" going to make it through another winter I know you are in MIA but I heard you ran over something the other day and half of your quarterpanel fell off and the interior roof has dry-rot

I like those new Jeep Wranglers. Trust me, a lot of new shiny hitches are going to be showing up in the employee parking lots once they stop stealing our money and we get what management promised.