JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

The IAM created and originated the RR program back in the 90s. Delta followed. We finally got rid of it in 2014. The IAM also created the 'weekend part timer', and permanent part timer wage scale at Hawaiian. I know sometimes Unions have to sign some crazy stuff but I don't believe any union, ever, in any situation should concede to such awful working conditions for a class of people as ready reserve.

At United, the IAM maintains ready reserve as well, they just call them temp agents. Most, if not all agents, are hired in as temp agents now. No seniority, no benefits, nothing.

I'm a bit more vigilant against ready reserve/temp agents than most so that's why I welcomed the news that our negotiators were addressing temp agents even though this category of peeps hasn't even been a classification that LUS management has really utilized. If any company utilized ready reserve solely as a sorta probationary employee, as Kev suggested, then maybe there is a place where I can apprehend the reasoning, but during bad times or in times of very contentious labor talks, having ready reserve could be a sword against our negotiators. Basically, I trust management zilch with such rules.

regards,

And the TWU negotiators back in 1995 agreed to the Junior Fleet Service program. A nightmare from day one. Huge turnover numbers and an entire 6 years worth of people brought in for the one's who actually stayed that to this day still bear the scars of animosity in their hearts. How can anyone blame them?

Negotiators for the most part are senior people. They look out for their own first and sometimes say to hell totally with the unborn. I'm not saying that I agree to handing the unborn the keys to the kingdom but I also don't agree with them being the peasants in rags living with lice and scurvy.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And the TWU negotiators back in 1995 agreed to the Junior Fleet Service program. A nightmare from day one. Huge turnover numbers and an entire 6 years worth of people brought in for the one's who actually stayed that to this day still bear the scars of animosity in their hearts. How can anyone blame them?
Negotiators for the most part are senior people. They look out for their own first and sometimes say to hell totally with the unborn. I'm not saying that I agree to handing the unborn the keys to the kingdom but I also don't agree with them being the peasants in rags living with lice and scurvy.

all of the lus negotiators are full timers with at least 25 years. imo they did a decent job in 2014 with Sito but that new united contract may be used to bite us in the ass. Sito signed that contract which was basically an ammendment and its the exact sorta contract one would expect after only 90 days. I can imagine glass begging for the same thing at american now, ie, no full time protections, complete elimination of cargo catering, and only 28 stations, plus spiking health care.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

all of the lus negotiators are full timers with at least 25 years. imo they did a decent job in 2014 with Sito but that new united contract may be used to bite us in the ass. Sito signed that contract which was basically an ammendment and its the exact sorta contract one would expect after only 90 days. I can imagine glass begging for the same thing at american now, ie, no full time protections, complete elimination of cargo catering, and only 28 stations, plus spiking health care.
regards,

My guess is that you would have preferred to have had to argue against it the way it was before the new agreement?

I really hope you're not thinking that?

And Tim since we have language in both contracts already restricting the usage of PT that's not going to change. Flight activity is the only thing that can knock a FT down to a PT if there are layoffs or displacements in the future.

 

[Tim Nelson]

My guess is that you would have preferred to have had to argue against it the way it was before the new agreement?

I really hope you're not thinking that?

And Tim since we have language in both contracts already restricting the usage of PT that's not going to change. Flight activity is the only thing that can knock a FT down to a PT if there are layoffs or displacements in the future.

Is that in your contract? In our contract, management just has to stay below a certain systemwide % but can knock peeps down to part time except in the 12 cross utilized stations.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Is that in your contract? In our contract, management just has to stay below a certain systemwide % but can knock peeps down to part time except in the 12 cross utilized stations.regards,

Tim you need to read our contract. I've posted it on here numerous times. I know it's not as exciting to you as reading DOL rules but.

 

[700UW]

Reading the last update seems Fleet is going to be the ones waiting, not maintenance.

 

[WeAAsles]

Reading the last update seems Fleet is going to be the ones waiting, not maintenance.

The newest update.

http://www.usaamerger.com

 

[AANOTOK]

The newest update.

http://www.usaamerger.com

Completely worthless...the company has zero intentions of getting an agreement unless it's loaded with concessions.
I do wish the negotiators would publicize what AA is asking for so the membership can see exactly how this management team regards it's frontline workers.
 
 A little easier to read:http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Association-Fleet-Update-5-13.pdf

 

[AANOTOK]

Just like taking your arguments to the flying public with picketing. Why not show IN PRINT what the union wants and what the company is proposing, or vice versa. If nothing new has been offered since the opening in DECEMBER...all I can say is WOW!
 
SO BOTTOM LINE, AA REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE!

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://www.law360.com/articles/791381/american-airlines-stiffed-workers-on-overtime-suit-says

We have to conclude that management will adjust their negotiation position on hours of service to protect itself against lawsuits. I reviewed the state of NJ and it appears that the company did NOT have an exemption [I have no idea why not?] so imo the suit will be a slam dunk for NJ employees. The suit seems to indicate that the law firm is soliciting workers from other stations. This will not have any immediate impact on LUS CS since our contract includes this, but LAA has decided to keep CS as a company policy. It will be interesting to see if the company policy eventually changes on this.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Just like taking your arguments to the flying public with picketing. Why not show IN PRINT what the union wants and what the company is proposing, or vice versa. If nothing new has been offered since the opening in DECEMBER...all I can say is WOW!
 
SO BOTTOM LINE, AA REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE!

I agree that this latest update is frustrating but we can't say that nothing new has been offered since December. So far at last count Fleet has TA'd 17 Articles in which they say that they have gained improvements on.

The part that I find dismissive and insulting is that they have not offered a (decent) comprehensive proposal on all remaining articles. The company has highly educated professionals with staff that should have no problem whatsoever putting a package together that would absolutely speed up the process.

The longer this drags out the longer it takes for AA to move forward with their operational plans. From the vantage point of the investors this is something they are waiting to start happening and another reason why the share price has been suffering.

Although perhaps the company has no problem with that since they are on a tear to buy back shares?

 

[WeAAsles]

http://www.law360.com/articles/791381/american-airlines-stiffed-workers-on-overtime-suit-says

We have to conclude that management will adjust their negotiation position on hours of service to protect itself against lawsuits. I reviewed the state of NJ and it appears that the company did NOT have an exemption [I have no idea why not?] so imo the suit will be a slam dunk for NJ employees. The suit seems to indicate that the law firm is soliciting workers from other stations. This will not have any immediate impact on LUS CS since our contract includes this, but LAA has decided to keep CS as a company policy. It will be interesting to see if the company policy eventually changes on this.

regards,

Tim they have??????? Holy Moly how did you find this out when they only just presented their opening proposal on CS's this week and the company is reviewing it.

Do you talk to Jerry Glass? He's not on your speed dial is he?

Uh BTW Tim. That Lawsuit you talked about. EWR is an IAM station so they restricted the contractual item to being able to work no more than 40 total hours per week. Seems to me that the company just may be violating that contract of yours?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim they have??????? Holy Moly how did you find this out when they only just presented their opening proposal on CS's this week and the company is reviewing it.

Do you talk to Jerry Glass? He's not on your speed dial is he?

Uh BTW Tim. That Lawsuit you talked about. EWR is an IAM station so they restricted the contractual item to being able to work no more than 40 total hours per week. Seems to me that the company just may be violating that contract of yours?

Yes, the company is violating that contractual item but I don't believe a grievance has been filed. At any rate, to change the subject, this TSA blows. It will cost our company millions this summer. The lines at MDW were 1.5 miles outside the doors and backed up to the public transportation [we don't fly to MDW but the rest of the country is a mess as well with wait times]. We need to buckle up and work really hard on the core items in this contract. Do we focus on rewriting the temp agent articles or is the company proposing to expand it? Some choices need to be made because this industry has prospered but the financials and guidance now suggest the revenue in this industry will be scaled back. Better reel in a TA and focus on the core issues without leaving the table early. Wage, scope, health, full time protections [pt caps, etc], scope, retirement, should be pronto! Temp agents can be tabled until later in negotiations. This is the 3rd update in a row where Temp agents seemed to be the focus. It appears that the union's position is to abolish temp agents, which is worthy, but let's table it until the end of negotiations and if it ends up holding up a TA due to us wanting to abolish it then we need to figure some things out.
, http://www.law360.com/articles/791381/american-airlines-stiffed-workers-on-overtime-suit-says

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes, the company is violating that contractual item but I don't believe a grievance has been filed. At any rate, to change the subject, this TSA blows. It will cost our company millions this summer. The lines at MDW were 1.5 miles outside the doors and backed up to the public transportation [we don't fly to MDW but the rest of the country is a mess as well with wait times]. We need to buckle up and work really hard on the core items in this contract. Do we focus on rewriting the temp agent articles or is the company proposing to expand it? Some choices need to be made because this industry has prospered but the financials and guidance now suggest the revenue in this industry will be scaled back. Better reel in a TA and focus on the core issues without leaving the table early. Wage, scope, health, full time protections [pt caps, etc], scope, retirement, should be pronto! Temp agents can be tabled until later in negotiations. This is the 3rd update in a row where Temp agents seemed to be the focus. It appears that the union's position is to abolish temp agents, which is worthy, but let's table it until the end of negotiations and if it ends up holding up a TA due to us wanting to abolish it then we need to figure some things out.
, http://www.law360.com/articles/791381/american-airlines-stiffed-workers-on-overtime-suit-says

Multiple grievances have been filed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Multiple grievances have been filed.

You must be talking about personal grievances that take years to be heard if they don't disappear in the Bermuda's Triangle before then. If the IAM filed a grievance and expedited it, then that's different. I didn't hear that any of the sort happened.

regards,