JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

The railroads have had their CBAs legislated by Congress before.

Yea we're all prisoners under the RLA. That's a fact. Although we do make more than the public industries we compare to, to keep us placated.

Do you think a professional athlete has to wait very long to gain a contract? Or a famous actor under SAG?

Oh well I guess? We at least have that clause "Contracts never expire" that keeps the dog and pony show chugging along.

 

[WeAAsles]

Goglia has been on TV a couple of times as well. Very interesting (and learned) guy...

Glad I picked the right guy to quote then I guess.

 

[Jester]

What years were these Jester? Was any of this during those years before, after or during all those runs through the BK court system?

Maybe we are splitting hairs here... they didn't negotiate because the FAs were waiting for the East and West pilots to figure their seniority intergration, as the pilots and FAs scheduling were tied with each other.  So while the FAs weren't in negotiations, the net effect as that they didn't get a new contract (or for that matter start negotiating) until the FAs became tired of waiting on the pilots. The Tempe Boys conveniently stated during the Town Hall meetings they couldn't begin to negotiate until there was one pilot seniority list, so both work groups didn't advance on a JCBA for years.  It was a nice windfall for the Company as after 2 BKs, the East pilots were amongst the lowest paid in the industry.
 
It wasn't so much a leverage issue but a technical scheduling issue, but regardless, being tied to another group caused an inordinate delay through no fault of the FAs.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe we are splitting hairs here... they didn't negotiate because the FAs were waiting for the East and West pilots to figure their seniority intergration, as the pilots and FAs scheduling were tied with each other.  So while the FAs weren't in negotiations, the net effect as that they didn't get a new contract (or for that matter start negotiating) until the FAs became tired of waiting on the pilots. The Tempe Boys conveniently stated during the Town Hall meetings they couldn't begin to negotiate until there was one pilot seniority list, so both work groups didn't advance on a JCBA for years.  It was a nice windfall for the Company as after 2 BKs, the East pilots were amongst the lowest paid in the industry.
 
It wasn't so much a leverage issue but a technical scheduling issue, but regardless, being tied to another group caused an inordinate delay through no fault of the FAs.

Hopefully the lesson was learned and paid attention to?

On a side note. That East West crap is going to keep flying till I retire 11 years from now.

If a couple of people in the future during these talks happen to jump in line in front of me. So what. Big deal. I DO NOT care.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yea we're all prisoners under the RLA. That's a fact. Although we do make more than the public industries we compare to, to keep us placated.
Do you think a professional athlete has to wait very long to gain a contract? Or a famous actor under SAG?
Oh well I guess? We at least have that clause "Contracts never expire" that keeps the dog and pony show chugging along.

The RLA is much better than the nlra for workers. And its a cash cow gold mine for bargaining agents who helped draft it. That said, there is strategy but tying in with mx for an extended time would be a disaster.

regards,

 

[AANOTOK]

I'll go on record saying I'm against waiting to vote on or implementing a T/A until negotiations with the mechanics and related have wrapped up. I will also say I would not expect that work group to wait on fleet. Any other type of support they may request, I'm all for it.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'll go on record saying I'm against waiting to vote on or implementing a T/A until negotiations with the mechanics and related have wrapped up. I will also say I would not expect that work group to wait on fleet. Any other type of support they may request, I'm all for it.

Going on record or not I doubt very much is going to matter. Unions exist through the idea of solidarity and one of the tenants used sets the narrative.

"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"

And the company is well aware that many of us would throw each other under the bus in a heartbeat. They rely, count and pray for it. But leadership is not going to let it happen no matter how loudly the members scream. I'm not trying to burst your bubble here. I'm just relaying the facts as I'm sure they'll wind up being.

Besides AANOTOK how can you go on record if no one knows who you are. People know who Tim and I are. A ghost can't go on record. Bob Owens can go on record here. So can a few select others like that guy Steve Goyverts who puts his name on things. (Just thinking out loud here)

 

[AANOTOK]

Going on record or not I doubt very much is going to matter. Unions exist through the idea of solidarity and one of the tenants used sets the narrative.

 

OK then, I will repeat it.
 
"I'll go on record saying I'm against waiting to vote on or implementing a T/A until negotiations with the mechanics and related have wrapped up. I will also say I would not expect that work group to wait on fleet. Any other type of support they may request, I'm all for it."

 

[WeAAsles]

OK then, I will repeat it.
 
"I'll go on record saying I'm against waiting to vote on or implementing a T/A until negotiations with the mechanics and related have wrapped up. I will also say I would not expect that work group to wait on fleet. Any other type of support they may request, I'm all for it."

I edited my comment. Take a read.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm known as "AANOTOK" on these forums W, I am going on record on these forums W, not worldwide. You, Bob, Tim etc...using your name doesn't mean jack to me. You want an award, should I look at you as a hero, maybe I think it's idiotic. It is your prerogative to use whatever you like. I will add that most folks on any forum use some type of alias so you are in the minority...

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm known as "AANOTOK" on these forums W, I am going on record on these forums W, not worldwide. You, Bob, Tim etc...using your name doesn't mean jack to me. You want an award, should I look at you as a hero, maybe I think it's idiotic. It is your prerogative to use whatever you like. I will add that most folks on any forum use some type of alias so you are in the minority...

Take a chill pill Phil. I just said how can you go on record anywhere that might have any influence? Maybe in your station you're known well and would be a strong voice if you stood up? I'm absolutely NOT trying to entice you to state your name (for the record) Your prerogative. I just think through this process or issue a nameless person on Forums can't have any influence whatsoever in having his personal opinion recognized is all.

But hey I'll go on record too. I say all in, all out. We wait till everyone has an agreement or then none of us have one.

"You gotta stand for something or you're gonna fall for anything"

 

[Tim Nelson]

Going on record or not I doubt very much is going to matter. Unions exist through the idea of solidarity and one of the tenants used sets the narrative.
"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"
And the company is well aware that many of us would throw each other under the bus in a heartbeat. They rely, count and pray for it. But leadership is not going to let it happen no matter how loudly the members scream. I'm not trying to burst your bubble here. I'm just relaying the facts as I'm sure they'll wind up being.
Besides AANOTOK how can you go on record if no one knows who you are. People know who Tim and I are. A ghost can't go on record. Bob Owens can go on record here. So can a few select others like that guy Steve Goyverts who puts his name on things. (Just thinking out loud here)

"...injustice to all"...i think everyone is to blame there, and it starts with the leadership.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

"...injustice to all"...i think everyone is to blame there, and it starts with the leadership.

regards,

Equal responsibility falls on the shoulders of the membership IMO. Although they're always looking for the free pass and to play the blame game. Looking in the mirror occasionally is a good thing. It builds character to see yourself, warts and all.

 

[bob@las-AA]

OK then, I will repeat it.
 
"I'll go on record saying I'm against waiting to vote on or implementing a T/A until negotiations with the mechanics and related have wrapped up. I will also say I would not expect that work group to wait on fleet. Any other type of support they may request, I'm all for it."

 
I was wondering when someone other than me, risked putting it out there. I will have too agree with direct statement. Remember the strike vote fleet took in 2011, I couldn't be 100% sure but, the union on the ground at BA offered lip service in support of our strike. Should we let MX duke it out while we play through, you bet your A$$. But like weez said, I don't think the assoc will tell us we have a full TA until all have a TA. 

 

[ATD]

if the BAGSMASHERS want to vote let them. There is no unity in the TWU or IAM. This ASSociation is nothing else then our beloved Unions trying to keep your money without your say...