JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[700UW]

So it was ok that maintenance waited for fleet at PMUS in 2014?

As they had a TA and Fleet didn't.

 

[robbedagain]

WeAA  both of our PHX flights are now LAA 738s now and LSG does the catering    I dont yet know if our Flex Flight will be done with LAA 738 or LUS Airbus     Ill try to find out thou    some of the folks in catering are wondering what will happen at this point bec the only things they do now are basically helping clean the turns and cater to the needs of LUS flight crews for CLT turns and RONS at this point

 

[WeAAsles]

So it was ok that maintenance waited for fleet at PMUS in 2014?
As they had a TA and Fleet didn't.

Of course all the groups should wait for one another to finish. But there also needs to be a point where since the issues for each group may be drastically different that movement needs to be happening.

If one group is completed and the other hits a stone wall then it needs to be open to debate what to do next.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So it was ok that maintenance waited for fleet at PMUS in 2014?

As they had a TA and Fleet didn't.

I don't want my group, fleet service, to wait on anyone. I do appreciate MX and also TWU waiting on LUS in 2014, but I myself don't want my group waiting for MX otherwise it's going to be a very long time. We need our money and stations now, as crude as that sounds, but the legal situation has changed and these are not section 6 negotiations.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA  both of our PHX flights are now LAA 738s now and LSG does the catering    I dont yet know if our Flex Flight will be done with LAA 738 or LUS Airbus     Ill try to find out thou    some of the folks in catering are wondering what will happen at this point bec the only things they do now are basically helping clean the turns and cater to the needs of LUS flight crews for CLT turns and RONS at this point

They won't know anything until we see a JCBA to vote on and then it passes. We can all make assumptions for what the company wants but in the end it might turn out to be exactly science.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't want my group, fleet service, to wait on anyone. I do appreciate MX and also TWU waiting on LUS in 2014, but I myself don't want my group waiting for MX otherwise it's going to be a very long time. We need our money and stations now, as crude as that sounds, but the legal situation has changed and these are not section 6 negotiations.regards,

We also can't be like a herd of stampeding Buffaloes ready to trounce the Earth over their dead carcasses Tim. There is strength in numbers and each group loses a little bit more power if the others abandon them.

And who's to say that Maintenance doesn't wind up being done before we are? It is possible you know.

 

[Tim Nelson]

We also can't be like a herd of stampeding Buffaloes ready to trounce the Earth over their dead carcasses Tim. There is strength in numbers and each group loses a little bit more power if the others abandon them.

And who's to say that Maintenance doesn't wind up being done before we are? It is possible you know.

If we have an agreement with management, are you suggesting that we hold off? I'm not sure there is anything that can be gained by us telling management that we are keeping our group from voting until MX gets a deal. Big big problems with that.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

If we have an agreement with management, are you suggesting that we hold off? I'm not sure there is anything that can be gained by us telling management that we are keeping our group from voting until MX gets a deal. Big big problems with that.regards,

Yes I am. Especially like I said if there is still movement in the other groups. The company can live without the synergies but they want them. Doug Parker can live being compensated 32% less than his competitor CEO's as he says, but he wants that money. And I also think there are other stipulations keeping the operation on hold till all the Unions have a deal that they can live with, but they want them.

But as I wrote a little back there does come a time where it might need to be debated?

And can you please tell me why you need to write "Regards" under every post? You don't do that on Facebook? Why here? Just curious?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes I am. Especially like I said if there is still movement in the other groups. The company can live without the synergies but they want them. Doug Parker can live being compensated 32% less than his competitor CEO's as he says, but he wants that money. And I also think there are other stipulations keeping the operation on hold till all the Unions have a deal that they can live with, but they want them.

But as I wrote a little back there does come a time where it might need to be debated?

And can you please tell me why you need to write "Regards" under every post? You don't do that on Facebook? Why here? Just curious?

Ok, then we simply disagree over this now. I just don't want us to get hung up over political bonfires within MX. Major airlines want complete overhauls done overseas and those are the issues at United as well. There hasn't been one major airline that has signed a MX transition agreement without wanting all overhaul work.

I don't see any way out of negotiations if we wait on MX. And I don't think your position is held by anyone in negotiations. I mean, I would guess that our NC and the 2 unions already have a plan to either be independent in each negotiation or come out of negotiations together. The alternative would need an exit point, but if there is an exit point prior to a MX TA then we simply pissed away x amount of months. Either negotiate as independent entities or come out together. Anything wishy washy will be a lack of determination or discipline.

BTW, aren't the dispatchers TWU? I like the independence.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Ok, then we simply disagree over this now. I just don't want us to get hung up over political bonfires within MX. Major airlines want complete overhauls done overseas and those are the issues at United as well. There hasn't been one major airline that has signed a MX transition agreement without wanting all overhaul work.I don't see any way out of negotiations if we wait on MX. And I don't think your position is held by anyone in negotiations. I mean, I would guess that our NC and the 2 unions already have a plan to either be independent in each negotiation or come out of negotiations together. The alternative would need an exit point, but if there is an exit point prior to a MX TA then we simply pissed away x amount of months. Either negotiate as independent entities or come out together. Anything wishy washy will be a lack of determination or discipline.BTW, aren't the dispatchers TWU? I like the independence.regards,

Wrong the 2008 TA , HP/US merger that 50% of overhaul was BROUGHT BACK IN-HOUSE in that transition/JCBA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wrong the 2008 TA , HP/US merger that 50% of overhaul was BROUGHT BACK IN-HOUSE in that transition/JCBA.

i wasnt referring to usairways being a major.

regards,

 

[700UW]

They were a major you can't ignore that fact.

 

[Tim Nelson]

They were a major you can't ignore that fact.

Certainly Usair was a major and even a legacy in very broad terms, but it was so far removed from real majors like united, delta, and american insomuch that it didnt have the market share to survive independently as many analyst said. In the narrow definition that I was using the word "major" I think the term fits. If you disagree with my use of that word then kindly insert any other term suitable to you. My point is that i dont believe there is any evidence that Parker will bring back all major overhaul, in fact, the evidence is that the global competition within that craft suggest a loss of work.

Thats my opinion, and i think keeping or attaining work in mx is possible but it will be a paradigm shift and prolly be preceded by United. Thats going to be a very very long time. I think its worthy for the mx nc to hold off, just saying i dont want my group sticking around based on principle and myth

regards,

 

[700UW]

Parker agreed to bring overhaul back in, you can't ignore the facts.

Just shows you are part of the IGM crowd.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Parker agreed to bring overhaul back in, you can't ignore the facts.
Just shows you are part of the IGM crowd.

What is the IGM crowd? Reducing your comments down to personal attacks again? Parker also agreed that every iam station with 1 flight a day is under scope. Do you think the twu peeps should stand firm and hold out for stations with 1 flight a day?

regards,