JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Weez I hope you coach Michel to live well below his means, max out the full $18.5k on the 401K and not borrow money to also have a solid financial future.

Josh

Don’t know any Michel.

 

[737823]

Don’t know any Michel.

*Michael*

The Eulen fellow you helped get a job at mainline that initially annoyed you when he was working one of your flights.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

*Michael*

The Eulen fellow you helped get a job at mainline that initially annoyed you when he was working one of your flights.

Josh

You know it’s these off topic and strange tangents you do that make me not want to converse with you.

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe the Twu agreement does not have a cap on pt percentage. ( If that is correct) The company can raise the number practically whenever they choose. So contractual language limiting pt % is better than not having language. I agree that the Twu currently is at approx 28% but that can change very quickly. Also the Pt % in most stations is much higher than 28%. Other than DFW ( which is approx 10-11%). IMO, as stated in previous text, is that many stations could actually see More Ft and less Pt if the company chose to add Pt to DFW. ( assuming of course that the language for floors would no longer exist)
The OT as I hear has to change one way or the other, as the language for TWU and IAM differ so much. Not sure one way or the other which is better or not. But one thing Better for the Twu members, they will be getting 2x pay language.

Under the old TWU contract prior to 2003 you almost never got called for second day off because you were placed at the bottom of the list to be called for day 2. Essentially baring almost extreme desperation on the second day they would exhaust the list up to the last 1 1/2 time guy and that’s it.

The “rumored” compromise they came up with as far as FT and PT being able to get OT receives a Bravo from me.

If certain individuals didn’t expect or anticipate changes to their way things are done than they never should have supported the Association that they “claimed” was the best solution for both groups.

 

[NYer]

I believe the Twu agreement does not have a cap on pt percentage. ( If that is correct) The company can raise the number practically whenever they choose.

As mentioned before, there is no cap. There are several other parts of the CBA that protect us, at least in MIA, from having more PT. It includes the floor language as well as the current TWU OT language and our PT Work Schedule language. Modification to any of those items would certainly jeopardize out ability to curtail PTers.

IMO, as stated in previous text, is that many stations could actually see More Ft and less Pt if the company chose to add Pt to DFW. ( assuming of course that the language for floors would no longer exist)

DFW is shielded from PT due to their schedule and ability to maximize their productivity. Their flight schedule send to be more continuous than MIA, where we have more down type.

The OT as I hear has to change one way or the other, as the language for TWU and IAM differ so much. Not sure one way or the other which is better or not. But one thing Better for the Twu members, they will be getting 2x pay language.

We've had 2X in the past and it was rare to get to that point as I'm pretty sure it would be again. Might sound strange but getting 2X language may actually have a negative impact to many as their annual gross may go down. If the OT language allows PTers to be on the same list as FTers for extra hours then it takes away a tool we've used to minimize the use of PTers. It makes the cost balance out to the airline since they'd be able to offset OT hours with mere extension at regular hourly rates.

 

[Racer X]

As mentioned before, there is no cap. There are several other parts of the CBA that protect us, at least in MIA, from having more PT. It includes the floor language as well as the current TWU OT language and our Work Schedule language. Modification to any of those items would certainly jeopardize out ability to curtail


DFW is shielded from PT due to their schedule and ability to maximize their productivity. Their flight schedule send to be more continuous than MIA, where we have more down type.



We've had 2X in the past and it was rare to get to that point as I'm pretty sure it would be again. Might sound strange but getting 2X language may actually have a negative impact to many as their annual gross may go down. If the OT language allows PTers to be on the same list as FTers for extra hours then it takes away a tool we've used to minimize the use of PTers. It makes the cost balance out to the airline since they'd be able to offset OT hours with mere extension at regular hourly rates.

Neither agreement CURRENTLY has Ft and Pt on same list. What are you hearing that makes you believe they will be on same list going forward? Twu has ft first then pt. IAM has separate lists for ft and pt.
That may be true about the flight schedule in DFW, but the LANGUAGE is what ALLOWS it. (By the way.....it’s great language for DFW, not so great for all others). You better believe the company can configure a bid that would be productive if pt was increased there.

 

[NYer]

You better believe the company can configure a bid that would be productive if pt was increased there.

That would be even a larger possibility without the other language that makes that less appealing for them.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Question??
You have stated many times on here that fleet is done since August and we are waiting on mechanics. You have also stated that catering was good. So my question is, if fleet was done in August and catering was good, how can it be gone now??
I really wish you would tell us that are in negotiations what we have so it would save us all a lot of time, and hassle of going over everything multiple times.

Mr. Brown, there is actually a very simple explanation for all of this...

Personality A got information from Fly B that Catering was good in August...
Personality B thought Catering was gone, due to erroneous information from Fly C...
Personalities C through F were preoccupied with typing replies under pseudonyms in Airline Forums and Facebook, so they were completely unaware of the explanations that A and B had previously rendered...

Meanwhile... the daily calls to the DOL were distracting all personalities from concentrating on the matter fully.

>SPIT<

 

[WeAAsles]

Neither agreement CURRENTLY has Ft and Pt on same list. What are you hearing that makes you believe they will be on same list going forward? Twu has ft first then pt. IAM has separate lists for ft and pt.
That may be true about the flight schedule in DFW, but the LANGUAGE is what ALLOWS it. (By the way.....it’s great language for DFW, not so great for all others). You better believe the company can configure a bid that would be productive if pt was increased there.

I think there are people getting bits and pieces of rumors out there and they’re automatically tuning out the entirety of what they heard to only listen to the negatives of any changes.

You’re right TWU language does not have separate lists. The FT gets ALL the available OT until the list is exhausted then if they still need work done they extend the PT (Straight time) and finally Mandatory FT shifts if it’s an OSO event.

Rumor mill again is saying that come JCBA PTers will be able to sign up in the mix with FT for any shifts that need 4 hours or less of work?

Barring any other language that possibly makes that slightly restrictive to the PTer being called such as continuing to bar back to back PT shifts it could potentially cut down on the amount of yearly OT that TWU members have been used to over the years.

 

[WeAAsles]

Mr. Brown, there is actually a very simple explanation for all of this...

Personality A got information from Fly B that Catering was good in August...
Personality B thought Catering was gone, due to erroneous information from Fly C...
Personalities C through F were preoccupied with typing replies under pseudonyms in Airline Forums and Facebook, so they were completely unaware of the explanations that A and B had previously rendered...

Meanwhile... the daily calls to the DOL were distracting all personalities from concentrating on the matter fully.

>SPIT<

You mean the multiple personalities are beginning to lose track of what each other have been saying? Sad.

 

[B737 driver]

BTW those people making $10 to $15 per hour were the retirees from the 1970’s. In the 70’s $15 per hour was damn good money.

But you’re right that those old drinkers, smokers and hard living group didn’t live quite as long as some today.

But they also retired with SPECTACULAR Pensions.

When I said that is because when pensions were set up, there were a lot more union employees in the U.S., contributing to the pensions, from manufacturing, steel industry, airlines, railroads, trucking, ship yards, city employees, and you had more coming in then going out. So the pensions could be paid. Now employers have gone bankrupt, pensions are frozen. And you thought you were going to get $2000, a month, now because of cutbacks you are getting $800.

 

[WeAAsles]

When I said that is because when pensions were set up, there were a lot more union employees in the U.S., contributing to the pensions, from manufacturing, steel industry, airlines, railroads, trucking, ship yards, city employees, and you had more coming in then going out. So the pensions could be paid. Now employers have gone bankrupt, pensions are frozen. And you thought you were going to get $2000, a month, now because of cutbacks you are getting $800.

Ah. Got you.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

You mean the multiple personalities are beginning to lose track of what each other have been saying? Sad.

Exactly... BIGLY SAD!

>SPIT<

 

[cltrat]

Personally I think 770 to 20 may be tough to overcome even if the DoL allows your supporters to vote twice