JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

We have 12 jets a day. Plus about 16 rj.
Cwa works upstairs at almost all airports. Biggest non scope airports right now are
1. Iah
2. Rsw
3. Dtw
4. Bna
5. Ind
6. Cle?

Follow the trail then where you find CWA/IBT? You missed a few other cities AA flies to as well. HNL, OGG, MEM, ROC, SYR, etc.

And we need to take over some more commuter work as well.

 

[737823]

Follow the trail then where you find CWA/IBT? You missed a few other cities AA flies to as well. HNL, OGG, MEM, ROC, SYR, etc.

And we need to take over some more commuter work as well.

With an ex-TWA on the NC they will likely have to keep STL (LAA TWU) and MCI (LUS IAM) so they have their 100% stations-it’s unlikely those will be given up for other small stations particularly places that are largely eagle departures.

Then again, unorganized Delta has places staffed with mainline that have ZERO mainline departures and are wholly DCI operated.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

While it’s not exactly the most ideal of features since the ability to still read and engage exists. At least to some small degree it is making a point to one’s self that you no longer think a particular individual is worth engaging any longer.

 

[swamt]

Tax breaks for company . but its quite possible they want more scope in addition . To me that wld seem like it be at table but then i cld be wrong .

Hey robbed, I need to clarify something an X-AA'er told me about your nego's. Are you guys hearing of reduction in headcount for the mechanics after the JCBA is done? He said he heard it from one of his old contacts and wanted me to inquire to see if true. He said it could be related to a station reductions or cities pared back on. Can you confirm or deny for me please? There has been conflicting post on here in the past about rif's, layoffs and relocations but I don't think any in the past were confirmed as the asso. is not letting any info out. I think CB has said that they are in no way entertaining a city build down, but was more interested in a city build up or an add to rather than take away maint. The AA'ers here are saying they do not know what to believe with all the different rumors flying, so any info would be greatly appreciated. I fully understand if you have not been told any of this, but this is how rumors and false information gets circulated with no meaningful updates describing what's really going on at the table. Hope you guys get some movement to an agreement at your next set of sessions. Our's is next week 6-8 with an invite from AMFA for our COO to attend and get the reality of what is really going on in nego's. Our COO has put it in writing that they could very well get a deal done in our March 6-8 nego's sessions, we will see if he speaks the truth. Good luck, we all should get new contracts in 2018...

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey robbed, I need to clarify something an X-AA'er told me about your nego's. Are you guys hearing of reduction in headcount for the mechanics after the JCBA is done? He said he heard it from one of his old contacts and wanted me to inquire to see if true. He said it could be related to a station reductions or cities pared back on. Can you confirm or deny for me please? There has been conflicting post on here in the past about rif's, layoffs and relocations but I don't think any in the past were confirmed as the asso. is not letting any info out. I think CB has said that they are in no way entertaining a city build down, but was more interested in a city build up or an add to rather than take away maint. The AA'ers here are saying they do not know what to believe with all the different rumors flying, so any info would be greatly appreciated. I fully understand if you have not been told any of this, but this is how rumors and false information gets circulated with no meaningful updates describing what's really going on at the table. Hope you guys get some movement to an agreement at your next set of sessions. Our's is next week 6-8 with an invite from AMFA for our COO to attend and get the reality of what is really going on in nego's. Our COO has put it in writing that they could very well get a deal done in our March 6-8 nego's sessions, we will see if he speaks the truth. Good luck, we all should get new contracts in 2018...

In other words Robbed.

AMFA (SSM&P) good (give information)
TWU/IAM bad (give no information)

Anyway yes the Association has up its nefarious sleeves the intention of outsourcing as many jobs as possible and have already agreed to that a long time ago.

Isn’t it obvious. I mean we voted last year and have these contracts in place right now. AA is down from 12,000 Mechanics to 2,500 right now. In the last year they’ve gotten rid of around 10,000 people.

 

[swamt]

In other words Robbed.

AMFA (SSM&P) good (give information)
TWU/IAM bad (give no information)

Anyway yes the Association has up its nefarious sleeves the intention of outsourcing as many jobs as possible and have already agreed to that a long time ago.

Isn’t it obvious. I mean we voted last year and have these contracts in place right now. AA is down from 12,000 Mechanics to 2,500 right now. In the last year they’ve gotten rid of around 10,000 people.

This is wrong info, is it not? The reason I say is because the last numbers I heard (mechanic wise) was after merger there were 9-11K of mechanics. I do know for a fact that the mechanics were at 18,000 at one time with AA. Do not know the exact numbers now a days or what the intentions are for the numbers to go to after JCBA (for the mechanics). I also do remember the mechanic numbers went down as low if not lower than the 9K mark or maybe more after the BK contracts. I really hope your numbers are way off, but I will be honest, I just don't know.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is wrong info, is it not? The reason I say is because the last numbers I heard (mechanic wise) was after merger there were 9-11K of mechanics. I do know for a fact that the mechanics were at 18,000 at one time with AA. Do not know the exact numbers now a days or what the intentions are for the numbers to go to after JCBA (for the mechanics). I also do remember the mechanic numbers went down as low if not lower than the 9K mark or maybe more after the BK contracts. I really hope your numbers are way off, but I will be honest, I just don't know.

Ok all kidding aside. Do you know what the “intentions” are for the Company you work for are in regards to how many Mechanics they would like to have in house staffed at the Airline?

I would guess the “intentions” or what all these companies would prefer is to have ZERO employees.

Are you REALLY serious with this question when we’re still in NEGOTIATIONS just like you?????

 

[swamt]

Yes I do. Hence the no agreement over scope yet. The entire membership is aware of the number of headcount as well. They do not prefer to have ZERO employees as they would not exist. They do in fact want to run the number of employees as lean as possible (SWA's case) and still put out a good product on time and as efficiently as possible. Yes I am serious. All I know is our mechanic numbers are growing and have been growing each and every month at a very slow rate but none the less are numbers in headcount are increasing. If and when we do get a T/A and vote in a new contract the company has already said they will increase mechanics by (if I remember correctly) in order to handle the new 5th line of maint. coming if agreed upon. The new line of maint. will be running 3 shifts around the clock so added headcount would be required. Numbers I have been told are 30-40 more are needed plus the additional headcounts for the overnight maintenance with the new maint programs coming.
You see weez, that's the huge difference, we are informed very well and know all the numbers, that's why you don't see the chaotic guessing games of misinformation flat out lies being thrown around the rumor mill within the membership. Which is also why the membership fully supports our nego cmte at the table, they know what we want, not them telling us what we want or will get. Keep posting your questions. I will answer any questions you may have about our nego's and offers as we are not kept in the dark. BTW all updates are also found on National website, but the much, much more informative information in details are given at monthly meetings, one on one convo's, and personal phone calls to our officers, nego's as well as National leadership. Can you say the same with your asso.? I think not.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes I do. Hence the no agreement over scope yet. The entire membership is aware of the number of headcount as well. They do not prefer to have ZERO employees as they would not exist. They do in fact want to run the number of employees as lean as possible (SWA's case) and still put out a good product on time and as efficiently as possible. Yes I am serious. All I know is our mechanic numbers are growing and have been growing each and every month at a very slow rate but none the less are numbers in headcount are increasing. If and when we do get a T/A and vote in a new contract the company has already said they will increase mechanics by (if I remember correctly) in order to handle the new 5th line of maint. coming if agreed upon. The new line of maint. will be running 3 shifts around the clock so added headcount would be required. Numbers I have been told are 30-40 more are needed plus the additional headcounts for the overnight maintenance with the new maint programs coming.
You see weez, that's the huge difference, we are informed very well and know all the numbers, that's why you don't see the chaotic guessing games of misinformation flat out lies being thrown around the rumor mill within the membership. Which is also why the membership fully supports our nego cmte at the table, they know what we want, not them telling us what we want or will get. Keep posting your questions. I will answer any questions you may have about our nego's and offers as we are not kept in the dark. BTW all updates are also found on National website, but the much, much more informative information in details are given at monthly meetings, one on one convo's, and personal phone calls to our officers, nego's as well as National leadership. Can you say the same with your asso.? I think not.

Dude I don’t consider the fact of being in a Union to be a contest of which one is more “special” like you do. I personally find it to be disgusting that as a Union member yourself in the position you’re in at your Company to come on here and hurl aspersions our way.

“””””We SHOULD be SUPPORTING each other as best we can. I don’t like the way you think.””””

Anyway this is a Fleet thread but AGAIN we have to talk Maintenance here. You say you’re growing. GOOD. You’ve gone from around 2500 to 26 or 2700? Excellent.

My old Mustang I needed to take to see the Mechanic fairly often. My NEW Mustang I don’t need to take to the Mechanic at all. What happens to the Mechanic when he has no cars (planes) to be worked on? Why this would even need to be spelled out for you is absolutely beyond me?

 

[WeAAsles]

Anyway back on topic if possible. The rumors lately have been flying around like mad. Actually got a text yesterday from a Ramper here in MIA with a 16% 401k Match rumor?

We know the Company was willing to go with at least 9% since they themselves put it out there last year.

Thoughts on the “rumor”?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Anyway back on topic if possible. The rumors lately have been flying around like mad. Actually got a text yesterday from a Ramper here in MIA with a 16% 401k Match rumor?

We know the Company was willing to go with at least 9% since they themselves put it out there last year.

Thoughts on the “rumor”?

The probability of a 16% match in my opinion, is very low, 9% -10% to me is more towards reality.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Tax breaks for company . but its quite possible they want more scope in addition . To me that wld seem like it be at table but then i cld be wrong .

I think I may have brought this up one before....

 

[WeAAsles]

The probability of a 16% match in my opinion, is very low, 9% -10% to me is more towards reality.

I don’t think so. Say the IAMPF is frozen (The Company doesn’t contribute any longer) and 16% “Match” is the compromise for that. How many people do you think Bob are going to put in 16% of their Gross to gain full access to that Match?

I don’t think you’ll find many that will or can even afford to from studies I’ve read. Hell I seriously know people right now who are topped out who aren’t even putting in 5.5% or most I talk to aren’t putting in any more than that.

The Company has access to all of that information of expected costs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...2/retirement/retirement-401k-match/index.html

 

[PIEDMONT784]

With an ex-TWA on the NC they will likely have to keep STL (LAA TWU) and MCI (LUS IAM) so they have their 100% stations-it’s unlikely those will be given up for other small stations particularly places that are largely eagle departures.

Then again, unorganized Delta has places staffed with mainline that have ZERO mainline departures and are wholly DCI operated.

Josh

And you got this information from?... The Bankers Daily Briefing? The Tellers Union? ... Finance Daily?

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Timmy latches onto any controversial subject that he can spin, inflate, and agitate the membership with. He does this to hopefully gain political clout to forward his personal agenda...
His current issue du jour is Health Care...

Been that way since the 90's...

>SPIT<