JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Ok, I lost before!

I guess we will just have to find out. Nothing wrong with a democratic election, right? The members will decide. I'm fine with that, provided it is fair.

Nothing wrong with an election.

But the lies, misinformation and attacks are wrong.

 

[B737 driver]

Nothing wrong with an election.

But the lies, misinformation and attacks are wrong.

Welcome to the world of union politics, just be glad you guys aren't Teamsters.

 

[WeAAsles]

yesterday, i got in late for a small get together with ord twu president murphy. he wasn't too happy about the company wanting to outsource deicing. around these parts, a lot of popular cold-weather shifts and OT. i asked one of his right-hand men about any other potential outsourcing, and it doesn't look good for catering/lus side. i didn't ask about scope and how that might affect you at your station.

some around here are nervous about outsourcing freight. that doesn't seem to be on the company's agenda.

if you have any specific questions i will ask and get a reply to you. i'm not sure how much they can reveal to me or others. murphy is now in election stage and he spent some time talking about his opposing slate in this station.

That would be the Elvira, Szwed and Rubel Slate I presume.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

that's exactly right -

- i also heard a story about some local twu honchos going to meet the ord iam guy named callaghan(sp) at a local establishment and tim nelson just happened to be there.

 

[WeAAsles]

that's exactly right

I hope you can get some honest info in these times and not have to worry about the Political agendas clouding the waters.

The two issues should be separate and distinct.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

yesterday, i got in late for a small get together with ord twu president murphy. he wasn't too happy about the company wanting to outsource deicing. around these parts, a lot of popular cold-weather shifts and OT. i asked one of his right-hand men about any other potential outsourcing, and it doesn't look good for catering/lus side. i didn't ask about scope and how that might affect you at your station.

some around here are nervous about outsourcing freight. that doesn't seem to be on the company's agenda.

if you have any specific questions i will ask and get a reply to you. i'm not sure how much they can reveal to me or others. murphy is now in election stage and he spent some time talking about his opposing slate in this station.

A lot of the airports are taking over deicing and there isn’t anything anyone can do about it.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Tim isn’t welcome in any IAM official capacity.

He’s been fired from his 141 job in the past and removed from grievance committee at least twice.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

The company is in a big hurry for synergies right now with a company making billions now

And yet once again you ignore the reasons I posted see.

Lack of synergies costs money, and if you don’t know this the company’s first responsibility by law is the fiduciary rights to the shareholders.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I hope you can get some honest info in these times and not have to worry about the Political agendas clouding the waters.

The two issues should be separate and distinct.

i like murphy and co....those guys are are somewhat worried that the elvira slate is more 'millennial-friendly' and will appeal to younger new hires through facebook, etc. murphy got hot and was fired up, he wasn't happy with what elvira and his people are posting on social media.

szwed is an interesting person, believe me...just a bit too radical. rubel is a veteran of the wars.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nothing wrong with an election.

But the lies, misinformation and attacks are wrong.

I fully agree. I suggest that our Grand Lodge stop taking our union pension for $1,300 bottles of wine and signing court orders to pay the money back; and I suggest that it step aside since it is not qualified under the constitution to organize. Organizing is a complete disaster once again. I suggest they stop forging cards at Delta and stop embarrassing us at Boeing SC. Stop hiring their sons and daughters and mothers of their babies. Stop limiting membership participation. Stop violating member rights.

This is the last chance for our union. We simply have to build a better union.

 

[Tim Nelson]

i like murphy and co....those guys are are somewhat worried that the elvira slate is more 'millennial-friendly' and will appeal to younger new hires through facebook, etc. murphy got hot and was fired up, he wasn't happy with what elvira and his people are posting on social media.

szwed is an interesting person, believe me...just a bit too radical. rubel is a veteran of the wars.

it really isn't even about murphy or Elvira. A vote for Murphy is one in which TWU members show they are satisfied with the Association and progress. Management watches these elections and uses the elections as indicators that members are content with the current situation or not. Same with the Association. They are watching. If Murphy wins, then it legitimates the processes that the Association has employed. If some TWU member is fine with the current situation, then they ought to vote for Murphy. If not, then Elvira.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Tim isn’t welcome in any IAM official capacity.

He’s been fired from his 141 job in the past and removed from grievance committee at least twice.

i don't know the guy, so i can't make a comment either way. i heard the story and immediately i didn't believe that tim nelson was there by happenstance. i'm guessing this callaghan (sp) iam guy tipped him off about the meeting.

 

[WeAAsles]

i like murphy and co....those guys are are somewhat worried that the elvira slate is more 'millennial-friendly' and will appeal to younger new hires through facebook, etc. murphy got hot and was fired up, he wasn't happy with what elvira and his people are posting on social media.

szwed is an interesting person, believe me...just a bit too radical. rubel is a veteran of the wars.

I’ve made many friends over the years and for an outsider the more “prudent” thing to do is to just stay out of it. I’ve never worked in ORD.

May the best man/team/people win.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

A lot of the airports are taking over deicing and there isn’t anything anyone can do about it.

i understand...regardless, what major airline would allow it's reliability and dependability to fall into the hands of a 3rd party - let alone municipal workers? i'll assume that even if true, the company would still insist on having aa deicers on stand-by.

if i'm iam, and i suppose i am by default - the association; i would be angry that it looks bad for my insurance and now catering is under a serious threat.

 

[Kev3188]

Very few remaining synergies that the company hasn't already tapped into regarding cross utilization for fleet. I think there are only 12 stations or so, including ORD. It's like one workforce up here. Doing a work bid for 60 employees is prolly negligible or just a small cost. That said, I support the cross utilization agreement.

Nonetheless, there are some things that the company wanted and secured with a AIP. It wanted to mirror Delta and, now United in regards to eliminating caps/ratios, and it wanted LUS health care, small stations, and catering. It got LUS health care and loosened up the part time caps and scheduling. It didn't get lav or catering or small stations (not completely as they grandfathered). The wage was $32 but that was before Delta announced the return of full profit sharing once again.

For LUS, imo, this is a bad joke. We ultimately lose small stations, lose part time caps, lose LUS health care. Gain some extra days off, shift differ, a wage bump, overtime bypass, and extra 3 minutes of rest time. At best, it is cost neutral for LUS fleet, may actually be cost negative. If it comes to a vote, it will pass since the TWU controls the numbers and will be in strong cost positive territory.

How do you lose a small station if they’re grandfathered in?

Side note: What happened to Cronk was disgusting.