JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

You had zero leverage.

The anti-trust suit had zero to do with your Negotiations and the majority of your workforce weren’t under a CBA.

The leverage we have is the synergies.

In Maintenance still can’t work each other’s metal in heavy maintenance.

And the IAM lack of a JCBA is holding up Parker’s and other executives bonus.

And they can’t do one bid and the like as none of the IAM and TWU workforce has been intergrated.

Still two totally different payroll and personnel departments.

There is no interim agreement signed off on. They only signed off on an interim wage increase.

Scope, Retirement, Wages, and Insurance are all still open items in negotiations

Very few remaining synergies that the company hasn't already tapped into regarding cross utilization for fleet. I think there are only 12 stations or so, including ORD. It's like one workforce up here. Doing a work bid for 60 employees is prolly negligible or just a small cost. That said, I support the cross utilization agreement.

Nonetheless, there are some things that the company wanted and secured with a AIP. It wanted to mirror Delta and, now United in regards to eliminating caps/ratios, and it wanted LUS health care, small stations, and catering. It got LUS health care and loosened up the part time caps and scheduling. It didn't get lav or catering or small stations (not completely as they grandfathered). The wage was $32 but that was before Delta announced the return of full profit sharing once again.

For LUS, imo, this is a bad joke. We ultimately lose small stations, lose part time caps, lose LUS health care. Gain some extra days off, shift differ, a wage bump, overtime bypass, and extra 3 minutes of rest time. At best, it is cost neutral for LUS fleet, may actually be cost negative. If it comes to a vote, it will pass since the TWU controls the numbers and will be in strong cost positive territory.

 

[john john]

You had zero leverage.



The leverage we have is the synergies.

The company is in a big hurry for synergies right now with a company making billions now

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Very few remaining synergies that the company hasn't already tapped into regarding cross utilization for fleet. I think there are only 12 stations or so, including ORD. It's like one workforce up here. Doing a work bid for 60 employees is prolly negligible or just a small cost. That said, I support the cross utilization agreement.

Nonetheless, there are some things that the company wanted and secured with a AIP. It wanted to mirror Delta and, now United in regards to eliminating caps/ratios, and it wanted LUS health care, small stations, and catering. It got LUS health care and loosened up the part time caps and scheduling. It didn't get lav or catering or small stations (not completely as they grandfathered). The wage was $32 but that was before Delta announced the return of full profit sharing once again.

For LUS, imo, this is a bad joke. We ultimately lose small stations, lose part time caps, lose LUS health care. Gain some extra days off, shift differ, a wage bump, overtime bypass, and extra 3 minutes of rest time. At best, it is cost neutral for LUS fleet, may actually be cost negative. If it comes to a vote, it will pass since the TWU controls the numbers and will be in strong cost positive territory.

Jerry tell you this again?

Your track record speaks for itself, and it’s not a good one.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jerry tell you this again?

Your track record speaks for itself, and it’s not a good one.

That will be up for the membership to decide. I think regarding the District and Grand Lodge, you will be surprised after January 20th and even moreso after February 10th. Time will tell. Just vote.

I do think the track record speaks for itself. I think it is very good.

 

[WeAAsles]

That will be up for the membership to decide. I think regarding the District and Grand Lodge, you will be surprised after January 20th and even moreso after February 10th. Time will tell. Just vote.

I do think the track record speaks for itself. I think it is very good.

Your constituents. “Anyone, anyone”

 

[Tim Nelson]

Your constituents. “Anyone, anyone”

I've had a lot of support. Not sure what you are talking about?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

That will be up for the membership to decide. I think regarding the District and Grand Lodge, you will be surprised after January 20th and even moreso after February 10th. Time will tell. Just vote.

I do think the track record speaks for itself. I think it is very good.

The membership has decided over and over for the past 20 years or more, that they dont want you in any District or International Elected Office.

So how many District Elections have you lost?

How man International Elections have you lost?

You have lost EVERY single time you have run for a District or International office, so please explain how that translate to you have a lot of support?

 

[WeAAsles]

I've had a lot of support. Not sure what you are talking about?

It’s a joke man. Everyone knows you already won. Who can possibly beat you.

“Bueler, Bueler, Bueler”

 

[swamt]

What leverage does IAM/TWU have NOW?

Both sides all ready sigh off on an interim agreement

Both current contacts are not amendable yet

Already sign off on cross utilization procedures

Wage and pension increases already done

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-conten...cuted20AA20Fleet20Pay20Adujustment20LOA-2.pdf

Just saying

Depends on which group you are referring to. The mechanics had leverage until this asso sold them out for pay to work each others metal. Not sure on the fleet side and not sure with the stock clerks.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

We can not work each others' metal in heavy maintenance, only line, and in exchange for the raises, and working each other's metal on the line, we got a no layoff station protection.

And its the same for all classifications and CBAs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The membership has decided over and over for the past 20 years or more, that they dont want you in any District or International Elected Office.

So how many District Elections have you lost?

How man International Elections have you lost?

You have lost EVERY single time you have run for a District or International office, so please explain how that translate to you have a lot of support?

I've never ran for International Office. But, there has only been 1 election in over 100 years. There is going to be another, I'm certain we have that much support. Jay Cronk ran and got 40% of the vote doing almost nothing. We are far far ahead of where Jay was. It's gonna be fun and exciting and I believe we will win. Time will tell.

As far as District, I put together a winning ticket. Actually, the only winning ticket ever from insurgents. I ran for District office twice. I did fairly well. I got more Local endorsements than any other insurgent in 2014 at 14. And got over 3,000 votes and just missed by a couple hundred. That's pretty respectable for insurgents. That said, this stuff is tough but I think it's going to be a big win for the insurgent ticket. Not just a win but a pretty big one.

 

[Tim Nelson]

We can not work each others' metal in heavy maintenance, only line, and in exchange for the raises, and working each other's metal on the line, we got a no layoff station protection.

And its the same for all classifications and CBAs.

That is what the company wants real bad. There is a lot of leverage in the present contract regarding 'no displacement'. Better than the lame 'no layoff'. No displacement prevents the company from downgrading or furloughing members into part time or on the street or to other stations. The economy is booming right now so no sweat, but the company wants that language back in case something goes south. Something eventually always goes south in this industry.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You still lost, bottom line, stop with the excuses, you havent won.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You still lost, bottom line, stop with the excuses, you havent won.

Ok, I lost before!

I guess we will just have to find out. Nothing wrong with a democratic election, right? The members will decide. I'm fine with that, provided it is fair.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

In my TWU Station there is very little if any general information being given out about the T/A's and no specific information at all. It is my understanding that this is the same in all TWU stations. If I am incorrect, please let me know, but there is almost no information being given out at all. We are under the impression at my station that information cannot be released until all articles have T/A's.

Yes it would be good to have more (any) information. None of the TWU negotiators post on here to my knowledge. Charlie Brown please let the TWU negotiators know that most of us would like some (any) information.

Thank you.

yesterday, i got in late for a small get together with ord twu president murphy. he wasn't too happy about the company wanting to outsource deicing. around these parts, a lot of popular cold-weather shifts and OT. i asked one of his right-hand men about any other potential outsourcing, and it doesn't look good for catering/lus side. i didn't ask about scope and how that might affect you at your station.

some around here are nervous about outsourcing freight. that doesn't seem to be on the company's agenda.

if you have any specific questions i will ask and get a reply to you. i'm not sure how much they can reveal to me or others. murphy is now in election stage and he spent some time talking about his opposing slate in this station.