JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[swamt]

Weaz, William Fa just posted that the LUS negotiators and the company agreed to utilize the LAA seniority guidance on Crew Chiefs and leads and said there wouldn't be two separate list anymore. Can you explain the difference between the 2? And btw, you are getting peed on regarding your equity. Unions need to stay out of ESOP, Stock options, and equity. They always end up hosing the members on those sorta things. Better to focus on wages/benefits/scope.

Tim, will the existing CC and leads get grandfathered in? Or will there be changes on the LUS side with seniority in leads and CC's? This is one of the big differences that the mechanics are waiting for. If it is true that they are going with the AA way of that seniority it will be a change that the LUS guys are not use to as they do it with the time you start as a lead or CC is your seniority in that department.

 

[swamt]

Admins please close this thread. It’s been hijaked beyond repair.

And how does that feel??? Don't like it do you?? When you were asked to stay out of the mechanics thread you refused, too bad now.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

And how does that feel??? Don't like it do you?? When you were asked to stay out of the mechanics thread you refused, too bad now.

Are you five years old?

 

[swamt]

Are you five years old?

5 1/2 get the info right before you post.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, will the existing CC and leads get grandfathered in? Or will there be changes on the LUS side with seniority in leads and CC's? This is one of the big differences that the mechanics are waiting for. If it is true that they are going with the AA way of that seniority it will be a change that the LUS guys are not use to as they do it with the time you start as a lead or CC is your seniority in that department.

It is true. The LUS agreed to LAA seniority rules. The TWU Prez posted it yesterday.
It must affect the MX craft because we already go by classification date. Whether I'm a lead or ramper, I bid with my company seniority date.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Simple. My occupational Seniority as a Clerk/Agent is May of 95 and if I take Crew Chief in the future it will still be May of 95.

And you don’t understand anything about our Equity so honestly best you just stay out of the conversation.

I agree, I don't understand it but neither does your union. Better for Myers, Garcia, and others to focus on representation instead of dicking around with stuff that they simply don't know anything about. Fa is right.

BTW, I still don't know the difference between Chief Leads. If I want to go to a lead, I keep my time, no matter if I'm ramp or lead and that's how I bid.

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree, I don't understand it but neither does your union. Better for Myers, Garcia, and others to focus on representation instead of dicking around with stuff that they simply don't know anything about. Fa is right.

You read what I wrote on the other page. Tim I would honestly vote for you even before Fa.

And I actually mean it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You read what I wrote on the other page. Tim I would honestly vote for you even before Fa.

And I actually mean it.

Fa...a long long way to run?

 

[swamt]

It is true. The LUS agreed to LAA seniority rules. The TWU Prez posted it yesterday.
It must affect the MX craft because we already go by classification date. Whether I'm a lead or ramper, I bid with my company seniority date.

Ok, Thx. So no grandfather clause for existing CC's and Leads?

 

[WeAAsles]

Q: Investors and analysts are suddenly very concerned with short-term increases in costs. Are they too worried?

A: I think that we are so short-term focused and have been in the airline business, and probably rightfully so. As we take a look at the future at American Airlines, thinking about where we should be on average, we have talked about producing returns of $5 billion a year. That’s how we are setting up this airline. Some years we may fall short; other years we think that we will exceed ($5 billion).



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a0619edfa05_story.html?utm_term=.6a3faf643302

 

[swamt]

I agree, I don't understand it but neither does your union. Better for Myers, Garcia, and others to focus on representation instead of dicking around with stuff that they simply don't know anything about. Fa is right.

BTW, I still don't know the difference between Chief Leads. If I want to go to a lead, I keep my time, no matter if I'm ramp or lead and that's how I bid.

Let me ask that a different way Tim.
What will happen to the existing CC's and lead's seniority when (and IF) it goes to the LAA way of premium seniority? Man I hope you guys will see an ILC before spring of 18, but I just don't see that happening like some are expecting out here. I still see more like the amendable date in Sep. 2018 as a minimum. What says you??

 

[swamt]

This is Piedmont Express formerly Henson Aviation In 1983, The Piedmont name was resurrected in 1993, when USAir Piedmont Airlines bought Henson and re-branded the airline as "Henson, The Piedmont Regional Airline." renamed Henson to "Piedmont Airlines", to protect the Piedmont brand name, which could be used by others if not exercised in trade use for a period of time. USAir continued this practice by changing the name of its two other wholly owned regional airline subsidiaries, Jetstream and Allegheny Commuter, to PSA Airlines and Allegheny Airlines, respectively. (Pacific Southwest Airlines was the name of a California-based airline merged into USAir.) In 1997, USAir was renamed US Airways, and Piedmont was likewise re-branded as a US Airways Express carrier. US Airways merged Allegheny Airlines into Piedmont in 2004.

Ok. Thx for the history lesson, I think.
john john, sorry wasn't ignoring you just missed this post from you in a timely manner, my apologies.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

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IAM CLT

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Let me ask that a different way Tim.
What will happen to the existing CC's and lead's seniority when (and IF) it goes to the LAA way of premium seniority? Man I hope you guys will see an ILC before spring of 18, but I just don't see that happening like some are expecting out here. I still see more like the amendable date in Sep. 2018 as a minimum. What says you??

He already answered you, it doesn’t effect Fleet.

 

[swamt]

He already answered you, it doesn’t effect Fleet.

First of all, I was not asking you. Secondly, I asked Tim who's responses I respect and trust. Thirdly, I did not ask if it affected fleet only. This is where you fleet guys don't understand the differences not only within the same contract but how it deals with different groups within the same contract.
If premium seniority is handled the same way at both carriers for fleet, then it very well may not affect you fleet boys. But if LAA's premium seniority and LUS's premium seniority is handled differently (as is the case for the mechanics in the same contract) then it will in fact affect you fleet boys. I know you guys have lead and CC's in the fleet group because you yourself have said that the lead stock clerk represents the mechanic and related groups at the nego. table. Let Tim answer for himself, he does not need you to do anything for him.