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Probably so, but they reached their goal.
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Probably so, but they reached their goal.
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john john I 100% agree with you and actually that letter was a huge puff of smoke up your ***.
There never was any honest intentions to offer or provide you better plans.
That was nothing more than a temporary feel good letter.
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I’m not attempting to pit you against anyone so don’t be so sensitive. You are a consistently almost never ending argumentative individual who seems to not even have the ability to give an inch of concession. That’s an infuriating quality.
Anything can happen but even if the NMB tried the chicanery you just hypothesized you do know people have phones in their pockets today.
The NMB does not hold a physical gun to anyone’s head to force you to come to a deal.
Was that the experience you felt you had when you all agreed to a deal you didn’t like that Jim Little pulled because you felt frightened and coerced into it? (I heard stalwart Tim Hughes held fast and said NO to the mediator, What a guy)
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Your points are valid. In our 14 negotiations we were all separated. We negotiated different weeks in different cities. However, all 3 groups held to the notion that we all got TA's or none of us came out. BTW, we were in mediated talks with NMB for a year or so. There are no guarantees but I would foresee the same stance if we got to section 6 mediated talks.
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It could, but seeing the certifications have been separated it could also be that the NMB would separate the groups despite the intentions the groups may have to come out with TA votes at the same time. That would be something that may not be under the control of the represented groups even it is the current goal.
It may not have happened in the past to the IAM, but that fact and the NBM's separation of the certifications could allow this mediation to be different if it gets to that point.
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If the NMB does try to separate you all I wanted to make you aware of this very nifty little device that has existed for a number of years now. This is what they call a Cell Phone. You can actually keep it in your pocket to contact the outside World as long as you have a data plan.
If you have any issues understanding the usage of the Cell Phone please allow me to assist you as best I can.
Dave
Swam if the. AA association goes to section 6 would there likely be a AMFA card drive??
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Of course not. We just continue negotiating. More than likely they continue on where they are at right now and keep all the TA’d items. It would be ridiculous to go back to square one and start from scratch.
And I won’t repeat what Watcher said but.
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The notice in Section 6 is required when the carriers or representatives of the employees seek to make changes in agreements affecting rates of pay, rules and working conditions by invoking the formal bargaining process in the RLA. If there is no agreement in effect, the notice provisions of this section do not technically apply. Additionally, many changes to labor agreements and working conditions are negotiated between carriers and the representatives of the employees without filing the Section 6 notice and initiating formal bargaining under the RLA.
Section 6 contains three distinct legally significant functions. It specifies the procedural requirements of the section 6 notice, it delineates the duties pursuant to the notice, and it provides for an explicit so-called status quo provision that denotes the four instances in which it applies.
1. Procedural requirements of the notice filed pursuant to this section are specified:
2. The section 6 notice triggers duties on both parties to agree to meet and to actually meet within a certain time frames:
3. The so-called "status quo" provision of Section 156 pertains to four separate instances with one exception proviso. Separate and explicit "status quo" provisions also appear in Section 155, Section 160, and Section 159a of the Railway Labor Act. See Status Quo Provisions.
http://www.johnlivingood.com/section-6-notices.html
Section 6 contains three distinct legally significant functions. It specifies the procedural requirements of the section 6 notice, it delineates the duties pursuant to the notice, and it provides for an explicit so-called status quo provision that denotes the four instances in which it applies.
1. Procedural requirements of the notice filed pursuant to this section are specified:
- At least thirty days' notice,
- Written notice, and
- Notice of "intended change" in agreements affecting rates of pay, rules, or working conditions.
2. The section 6 notice triggers duties on both parties to agree to meet and to actually meet within a certain time frames:
- The parties must agree upon time and place for beginning conference within ten days of receipt of notice, and
- they must meet within the thirty days provided in the notice.
3. The so-called "status quo" provision of Section 156 pertains to four separate instances with one exception proviso. Separate and explicit "status quo" provisions also appear in Section 155, Section 160, and Section 159a of the Railway Labor Act. See Status Quo Provisions.
http://www.johnlivingood.com/section-6-notices.html
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