JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

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Weez the company is concern what it will have to pay other groups so it is considered throughout negotiations whether you like it or not

I never said anything wasn’t considered. The Pilots got a 16% contribution to their 401k. So currently the Company has to be concerned that we’re asking for the same thing.

Other groups of course will ask for cheaper Medical as well if the Association secures it.
 
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NYER,

Correct, our groups would negotiate at separate times at different locations as in 14 negotiations, however, we would not come out with full TA's until we all had TA's in our 14 talks.

P. Rez


I was writing at the same time as you, lol.
 
Why with TWA did the IAM represented classifications to under the TWU agreement but this time they get to remain under the IAM USAIR CBA until a JCBA? TWA they went under AA TWU no prolonged JCBA, no nothing.

If LUS went under the LAA TWU language how many stations would be staffed?

Josh

There was no representational battle so they came into the TWU CBA, similar to the America West that went from TWU to IAM.
 
There was no representational battle so they came into the TWU CBA, similar to the America West that went from TWU to IAM.

No battle? There quite literally was a battle but the TWU ultimately manned up, stepped aside and honored the process.

The fight spread into the hotel's service corridors, with IAM members chasing TWU organizers who tried to flee the fracas. Police came. Arrests were made, 22 in all.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/jobs/INQ_JobbingBlogBygones-be-bygones-union-style.html?mobi=true

Again why did the IAM release the group to the TWU at TWA? Why didn’t they try to have a run-off especially if Kasher stood on its own two legs?

Josh
 
NYER,

Correct, our groups would negotiate at separate times at different locations as in 14 negotiations, however, we would not come out with full TA's until we all had TA's in our 14 talks.

P. Rez

That would be the case in the current situation and it could happen in Mediation unless the NMB separates the 3 Association groups (Maintenance, Fleet, Stores). The difference is how the Association was given 3 separate certifications while in the past the TWU and IAM had a single certification combining most of their groups, like Maintenance and Fleet.
 
Wait a minute. You may have been misconstruing what I’ve been saying? The teams don’t Negotiate together now. They’re in the same building but they were in different rooms.

If it goes back in the future to the Negotiation committees and not the Executive Leadership of course it’s going to be separate because the issues are different somewhat.

But if one group concludes and reaches a deal they’re going to wait until all the groups are complete until they announce to the Membership that full TA’s have been reached.

No one group is going to leave another group behind.

Unless in Mediation the groups are separated (places, times and dates) and expected to have votes on their potential TA's as they come up rather than waiting for others to catch up on certain points
 
Sometime in the middle of 2002, I believe.


He Trolls these boards to satisfy a personal vendetta or kick he has at putting down TWA people and a story that occurred 17 years ago now.

You’re smart enough not to fall into the trap I believe?
 
No battle? There quite literally was a battle but the TWU ultimately manned up, stepped aside and honored the process.



http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/jobs/INQ_JobbingBlogBygones-be-bygones-union-style.html?mobi=true

Again why did the IAM release the group to the TWU at TWA? Why didn’t they try to have a run-off especially if Kasher stood on its own two legs?

Josh

Battle as in card drives by the Membership or court injunctions. There was certainly raw emotions that have lasted to this day mostly because of the seniority issue. However, the determination of representation was made by the NMB without much of a battle since the numbers and the situation was skewed.
 
That would be the case in the current situation and it could happen in Mediation unless the NMB separates the 3 Association groups (Maintenance, Fleet, Stores). The difference is how the Association was given 3 separate certifications while in the past the TWU and IAM had a single certification combining most of their groups, like Maintenance and Fleet.


Ok so now you know better than a man who has gone through the process himself far more times than you have?

How exactly does the NMB separate the 3 groups and prevent them from discussing where they are currently at as far as talks?

Do they wisk them off to Guantanamo Bay Cuba and have armed soldiers on 24 hour guard?

You do know that both P. Rez and CB are also current Negotiators who also have way more time in the Industry than you and I.
 
He Trolls these boards to satisfy a personal vendetta or kick he has at putting down TWA people and a story that occurred 17 years ago now.

You’re smart enough not to fall into the trap I believe?

Et tu?
 

I’m an actual AA Employee and TWU/Association Member just like yourself. The bulk by far of my Forums participation remains here on the Fleet thread as I’m a Ramp Agent/FSC.

This is the sole thread I prefer to mainly engage.

No Et tu.
 
CWA Q&A about their TA and the Medical:

"All work groups will keep their current medical plans and contributions in 2016. Before the 2017 annual enrollment period, the CWA/IBT Association Bargaining Committee will prepare and present to the Company an alternative health insurance plan. The Company has signed a Letter of Agreement stating that we will meet to review and consider that plan. If we are unable to agree on an alternate option, employees will have the LAA health insurance options for 2017. If better plans cannot be negotiated in 2016, everyone goes to the AA plan with a 21% employee cap on the total cost burden of insurance in 2017. There are multiple LAA options for LUS employees who are now choosing among those plans, some of which are more expensive and some of which are not."
empty promise
 
Ok so now you know better than a man who has gone through the process himself far more times than you have?

How exactly does the NMB separate the 3 groups and prevent them from discussing where they are currently at as far as talks?

Do they wisk them off to Guantanamo Bay Cuba and have armed soldiers on 24 hour guard?

You do know that both P. Rez and CB are also current Negotiators who also have way more time in the Industry than you and I.

If there are 3 separate certified collective bargaining groups, which would allow the NMB to separate those talks to the point where they are in different cities at different dates and different times they can control the process.

You don't have to believe or agree, but don't be surprised if it happens.

At what point do we consider all the possibilities even if they have varying probabilities.

BTW...I will step away from this conversation since this is the 3rd time you've tried to pit me against others, not going for that trolling type trick.

Good day.
 
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