JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[The Watcher]

I didn’t say it was the same, it was background information. If you look at the first the very last blurb a CBA was voted down.

 

[P. REZ]

1. Yes, Association would be bargaining in section 6, not TWU for CBA and IAM for CBA. However, I do believe Association could negotiate for the separate cba's. Hope this makes sense!
2. In our 14 negotiations, both MX and Fleet were in mediated talks and we both came out together, NMB knew this.

P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

Robbed, posters' like them will NEVER respond to "facts", reality, or even the truth... that's NOT what they are about.
They are about disinformation, skewed statistics, and outright falsehoods! They are about negatively impacting our solidarity...
It's what they f -ing do!
>SPIT<

agree all the way bro

 

[WeAAsles]

1. Yes, Association would be bargaining in section 6, not TWU for CBA and IAM for CBA. However, I do believe Association could negotiate for the separate cba's. Hope this makes sense!
2. In our 14 negotiations, both MX and Fleet were in mediated talks and we both came out together, NMB knew this.

P. Rez

Thank you P. Rez

Happy Easter.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Your putting the cart before the horse.

Your going with what if’s, I posted what’s going on.

i don't about the whole cart & horse thing..

when i said that i believe that some older fscs seek the stability of a signed contract instead of perpetual negotiations...the 'stability' part means 6 vc weeks or 9% 401k match are done & dusted in writing, guaranteed, and not seeing the company pull these compensation enhancements during negotiations - due to example, multiple terrorism attacks.

for instance, the nightmare scenario of these fscs. no TA...multiple terrorism attacks...business and tourism fall off a cliff and 6 proposed vc weeks now goes back to 5 proposed weeks and a 9% 401k match goes to 7%.

whether it's 5 or 6 contractual vc weeks, you can always say that bk trumps all.

you took it to explain to us that no labor contract guarantees stability, due to bk law. is the horse pulling a cart full of straw?

i find it outside of the sphere of reality that aa will file for bk in the near/medium future and that is why we ended up talking about dl. bk is a non-factor and shouldn't be factored in any current decision making.

 

[john john]

Weez the compa

Are you sure about that?What did tje managers and Customer service have before they went with th AA plan?Customer service had the same booklet and went to the same rep at open enrollment fairs

The LUS Passengers Service Agents had the lower cost and better medical until the new agreement was voted in December 1,2015

Their was assures that a new better medical would be negotiated. The lead negotiators that made these statements have since left the union. The medical plan that the PSA now have was never bargain or negotiated at the table. Lost all leverage and NO new medical plan never happen. And LUS Agent’s haven’t see a increases in 401k match and 25 years matter of fact that have seen a decrease in 401k

 

[john john]

All changes for insurance started in 2005.

CWA approved their chapter 11 concessions and didn’t seek IAM medical.

CWA/IBT approve transition agreement with HP merger, didn’t seek IAM medical.

2011 CWA negotiates again, no IAM medical

AA/US merger CBA, again no IAM medical.

They had ample opportunities to negotiate for it.

The CWA/IBT LUS Passengers Service Agents had the lower cost and better medical (“IAM medical”) in their CBA until the new agreement was voted in December 1,2015

 

[737823]

The CWA/IBT LUS Passengers Service Agents had the lower cost and better medical (“IAM medical”) in their CBA until the new agreement was voted in December 1,2015

Why did CWA want to give TWA agents full DOH?

Josh

 

[john john]

Why did CWA want to give TWA agents full DOH?

Josh

Why not

 

[737823]

Why not

Because they were stapled as TWA would have gone belly up anyway and how is it fair to cheapen nAAtive seniority?

Several from LUS pushed hard for this apparently.

Josh

 

[john john]

cheapen
Josh

Unions should be for DOH

Bankers not so much

 

[john john]

History lesson for all concern

http://web.archive.org/web/20051230172215/http://www.cwa.net/

https://www.cwa-union.org/news/entr...association_reaches_agreement_with_us_airways

 

[conehead777]

In hindsight, everyone likes to bash on the TWA deal.

At the time, which was before the industry changing events of 9/11, United was in the midst of trying to get together with US Airways in a consolidation spree. In response, AA went after the TWA assets. In the end, the UA-US deal didn't materialize.

AA-TWA closed their deal, months later 9/11.

United lucked out they didn’t get stuck with chug a lug Doug.

 

[swamt]

For the record.

No such thing as separate TWU & IAM Section 6, it would a joint negotiations headed by the Association.

Personally, I believe if it makes it to Mediation the NMB will put Maintenance and Fleet on separate tracks.

I agree. They will keep the asso. nego both contracts into one JCBA and with mediators it will take some time to explain the differences in the 2 contracts. I would hate to see it go that far, but that is looking like where it is headed to me...

 

[swamt]

Really?

The Association is the exclusive bargaining agent for the TWU and the IAM members

The NMB has certified American as a Single Carrier, therefore US Airways doesn't exist to negotiate with.

There is one negotiating agent and one carrier.

There is one Fleet group, one Maintenance group and one Stores group each represented by the Association to negotiate with a Single Carrier, American.

The Association is certified by the NMB as the exclusive bargaining agent for the TWU and IAM members at the New American.

That simple.

I see both sides here and this does not appear to be cut and dried for either side. At the very least, I think the TWU and IAM can say they will attempt to hold separate section 6 talks. I don't think the company would even want to think about that possibility and that could cause them to move in our direction. Even if the Association has to negotiate, I think Weez is right and they don't have to negotiate for a JCBA for one group. As Watcher said UA had to negotiate different contracts with the same union the way I read it. Can they not say fine we will negotiate separate contracts for the IAM and TWU. We have one Association representing two groups with two contracts now right?

The association should use this as leverage if they can. They should not make it easier if we are not being offered a fair contract.

Any chance we will see presidents or negotiators at the eanrings meeting later this month? I think the company should see a united front about the impasse? What do you think?

I really do know which way it will go, but, if it does go the seperate sec 6 for both sides then the mediator will still try to get a JCBA done after that, you guys won't be done for 10 years. I don't think they will do that, I think a mediator will be focussed on a JCBA right out of the bag, JMO...