JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

Good point.

Telephones and E- Mails.

Edit: Forgot to add faxing. Just informed Unions do lots of faxing.

 

[NYer]

This is just my interpretation.. but continue dialogue means to me, having discussions but not necessarily meeting face to face.

At this part of the negotiations, it is typically an all inclusive proposal where it is agreed to entirely or refused entirely.

Don't believe there will be single article TA's, but rather they reached a deal or not.

If not, there could be a Last Best Offer before shutting down talks and picking them back up in Section 6, if not sent to Members for a vote.

 

[WeAAsles]

Also I can’t see the TWU just standing by while their members have less holidays, vacation, overtime and higher insurance for several more years vs what the IAM members would be working under.

It would be total labor chaos and would effect the operation.

So thats leverage the Association still has.

Preferably their will be no further need for any future protests and this Management team really does want Labor Peace with all groups as they’ve claimed?

 

[The Watcher]

Section 6 would take place with Association, not separately with IAM and TWU.

First of all there is no CBA under the Association to send in a Section 6 opener.

At HP/US separate Section 6 took place at for HP.

Same at LUS for maintenance and ramp in 2014 after the AA merger.

Also at CO/UA for maintenance and flight attendants, two totally separate Section 6, not combined.

Combined is JCBA, not Section 6.

The IAM and the TWU would have their own Section 6 opener and negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Dvlhog....you can disagree on the post regarding the start of negotiations but that post is accurate. The info is out there to check.
IAM/TWU met at Winpisinger starting in July of 2015
Proposal to company in DFW first week of Dec 2015
First session for fleet with company 2nd week of Jan 2016
EC involved fall of 2017. Those are facts.

January 13 2017 the EC got involved to "expedite outstanding economic issues." Here we sit on ice March of 2018. Day 836 since negotiations began.

http://www.usaamerger.com/2017/01/1...e-outstanding-joint-contract-economic-issues/

 

[NYer]

Dvlhog....you can disagree on the post regarding the start of negotiations but that post is accurate. The info is out there to check.
IAM/TWU met at Winpisinger starting in July of 2015
Proposal to company in DFW first week of Dec 2015
First session for fleet with company 2nd week of Jan 2016
EC involved fall of 2017. Those are facts.

"Executive level negotiations took place in Washington, DC this week. Chief negotiators for the TWU-IAM Associations met with negotiators from American Airlines to advance our discussions in efforts toward concluding our contract discussions. All negotiating committee members were fully briefed on the sessions and continue to be involved with input and ongoing language development."

"While overall economic issues remain to be covered in future bargaining sessions, several important sticking points were discussed. The discussions between the parties were positive and, at this first Executive level of talks, serious consideration was given to resolution of those issues. We are awaiting the content of the discussions to be put to language that we are hopeful represents agreements and leads to more significant forward movement." Association Update March 31, 2017

 

[Tim Nelson]

My fly says there is a pretty good chance of seeing a TA by mid-to-late Spring. Never a mention of Sept or deals off.

ah ha ha ah ha ha LMAO. Now late spring? LMAO. BTW, our JCBA is already settled but our JCBA is held in hostage by our two MX negotiators on the "Executive Committee" who have admitted publicly and otherwise that they are using Fleet as a pawn in favor of the MX. Now, you (700 6.0), Weez, Mr Baskett, etc are just tools who have your place under Sito and can't stand up. Because everyone who is reasonable understands that having ZERO fleet members negotiating on our behalf is profane. It would never happen the other way around and I have never heard of a massive group, in any union, that didn't have one single member of that craft in the primary negotiations.

To the Audience: Remember, the negotiations committee has 12 Fleet members. But the negotiation committee isn't the negotiation team. Dudes, they aren't even in negotiations. They are sent on 'google' assignments or some other busy work like "Reviewing the past TA's to make sure there are no mistakes". LMFAO.

So, all updates from the negotiation committee are only second hand, or in some cases 3rd hand. Gary Peterson was Weez' best new friend, but his thorough lack of understanding led him to believe a TA by Christmas. Weez bought it and spread the fake news. NYer called out weez but weez never 'fessed up'.

So now, you and weez have scrambled and postponed your latest prophesy to "Late spring". Good Grief. From my perspective, I realize most on this board are total idiots who rent out their brain to the establishment and buy everything they say (posters like PJ, CLTrat....nice guys but man have they rented out their brains to the bullshit).

Otherwise, carry on. I don't know a thing about MX negotiations but ours are done and have been done. Every update since last August has even proven my statements 'spot on' unless someone bought all of the excuses. And whatever the case, Stio's claim in December 2016 that he is bull rushing negotiations and going to "Set the company straight" by having expedited executive negotiations was JUST A BIT OUTSIDE. LMAO

 

[Tim Nelson]

My guess is that the company will respond to all groups in the same time frame. If accepted, then all groups will be on same schedule for TA and ratification. If not accepted...back into the rooms they go.

There ya go! I can appreciate 'your guess". Finally a ounce of humility instead of the "Called shots". I can't argue with your guess. Have some more of that humble pie.

 

[Tim Nelson]

"Executive level negotiations took place in Washington, DC this week. Chief negotiators for the TWU-IAM Associations met with negotiators from American Airlines to advance our discussions in efforts toward concluding our contract discussions. All negotiating committee members were fully briefed on the sessions and continue to be involved with input and ongoing language development."

"While overall economic issues remain to be covered in future bargaining sessions, several important sticking points were discussed. The discussions between the parties were positive and, at this first Executive level of talks, serious consideration was given to resolution of those issues. We are awaiting the content of the discussions to be put to language that we are hopeful represents agreements and leads to more significant forward movement." Association Update March 31, 2017

I can't say for sure what is in their brain, but they didn't know about the new election, and now they understand that there will be another rerun election. IMO, I'll assume they stalled fleet due to MX. But I can't rule out that they (The IAM) are playing politics and can't pull the trigger prior to resolving all election issues. Admittedly, I don't know and I presume they are waiting on MX but our talks have been done for quite some time. The only thing that changed from what I heard is that the company turned up the heat by taking catering out in exchange for cargo. (that's a job loss as catering is 500 jobs, but 2 new cargo centers is only 150-200). And I have been told by the fly that the company will take out all grandfathering language if things drag past September. That means that all of the smaller LUS stations will be eliminated as well. To fully disclose, my position has always been that LUS health is a deal breaker and not subject to bartering. Thus, I don't believe my postion would resolve a quick TA and would most likely send us to section 6. But that would be my stance even though I'd be uncomfortable in section 6.

 

[Racer X]

At this part of the negotiations, it is typically an all inclusive proposal where it is agreed to entirely or refused entirely.

Don't believe there will be single article TA's, but rather they reached a deal or not.

If not, there could be a Last Best Offer before shutting down talks and picking them back up in Section 6, if not sent to Members for a vote.

I agree. You said it well. I think we will see an agreement on all remaining articles at the same time.

 

[Racer X]

There ya go! I can appreciate 'your guess". Finally a ounce of humility instead of the "Called shots". I can't argue with your guess. Have some more of that humble pie.

What called shots? All I’ve ever posted is what I’ve heard, or my opinion. Never have I said I guarantee anything.

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree. You said it well. I think we will see an agreement on all remaining articles at the same time.

Why would any Association group not want to support each other all coming out of talks together?

From what multiple birds have told me both Fleet and Maintenance groups have supported each other on positions from the get go. There are probably items in each other’s agreements that wouldn’t even exist without that support?

It would be completely Anti Union for any group to give the middle finger to another and say “Well we got our deal so see you later”

Again all went in together, all should come out together.

 

[Traymark]

. Day 836 since negotiations began.

I'm just going to leave this here and remind everyone, it took 56 days to take it all away for all 3 unionized work groups. Not a single solitary hiccup in negotiations when they want it done.

 

[The Watcher]

I'm just going to leave this here and remind everyone, it took 56 days to take it all away for all 3 unionized work groups. Not a single solitary hiccup in negotiations when they want it done.

Apples and Oranges.

 

[Traymark]

Negotiations is negotiations.
Apples and apples.