JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[Tim Nelson]

My mistake. I assumed everyone here would know I was talking within the context of deferred compensation.

That said, the benefits for a DC plan far outweigh the benefits of a DB plan- especially for those coworkers with a long time horizon.



I intentionally live close to mine, but 40/week is plenty.

+1

Just the fact that we only get credit for 1600 hour 'normal hours' a year is a slap in the face when the proposed 9% 401 gives credit and contributions to all total compensation. If a ramper doesn't work any OT at $30.81 that's a 9% 401k contribution and credit to HIS account of $5,800. Without any crew chief pay, overtime, shift differ, etc.
The IAM 5.5% is a $2,700 company contribution to the pension. And 40% of the IAM members only get a $800 company contribution over an entire year. That isn't squat. Unfortunately, I know no part timers who stand up against them getting pissed on, so their voice simply isn't heard.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well then you simply are not going to be comfortable. No matter how many times you insist on your moronic "Deal breaking: I want the same stations as CWA", IT ISN"T GOING TO HAPPEN. Get over yourself! Stop lying to people. Cripes, just last week you even argued with John John because you don't have the skillset to read contracts. John John set you straight in a kind way, lucky for you.

At any rate, you are all over the map. One week you say we are getting all the CWA stations, then the next week you seem depressed and tune out and seem to indicate all is doom. Which is it?

Wow you’re REALLY out for my blood now aren’t you.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

And that Sito guy loves you BTW (Now cue usual expected Sito guy rant)

 

[Rogallo]

He isn’t labor relations.

Steve Johnson is Executive Vice President – Corporate Affairs. He is responsible for corporate and legal affairs, government and regulatory affairs, labor relations, real estate and airport affairs and for outreach to the business communities in cities that American serves.

Huh?

 

[WeAAsles]

Thank you for the text from a friend that I’m taking the Trolls bait. You’re right and I need to control my own impulses on that.

Anyway let’s chat about this part.


Outsourced work down the road could include:

• Deicing; no one today is employed solely to deice aircraft so there is no job loss.
• Catering at 5 stations; vendors today manage this function at all but 5 stations. Current catering workers move to other fleet service positions at their current station. No job loss.
• Keep GSE and Facilities/Plant Maintenance in stations where we have it today; possibly transition some of this work to vendors as those team members retire from or leave American. Carve-outs include GSE work at our 12 largest stations. No job loss.
• At some of the 40 stations where one legacy carrier performs fleet service work in-house, the other legacy carrier uses a vendor to perform that same work. In those 40 stations, we would remove the vendor and move the work in-house to American employees.
• Cargo will remain as it is today at all of our hubs. No job loss.
• Tulsa engine overhaul work remains as it is today. No job loss.
• Component work continues as is; as team members retire, this work could transition to a vendor. No job loss.
• Aligns outsourcing percentages to today’s TWU Line and IAM Base outsource criteria, and establishes a Base Maintenance minimum headcount requirement to ensure we maintain a world-class Base Maintenance operation. No job loss.

 

[The Watcher]

HAD ENOUGH YET?


Steve Johnson is Executive Vice President – Corporate Affairs. He is responsible for corporate and legal affairs, government and regulatory affairs, labor relations, real estate and airport affairs and for outreach to the business communities in cities that American serves.

Huh?

http://news.aa.com/press-releases/p...-Officers-to-Corporate-Functions/default.aspx

Labor Relations and Deputy General Counsel
Lucretia Guia has been promoted to Vice President – Labor Relations and Deputy General Counsel, a position that was previously open.

“Lucretia is a proven leader and has a history of working collaboratively with our team members, union representatives, and internal and external counsel,” said Paul Jones, American’s Senior Vice President and General Counsel, to whom Guia will report. “As we continue to work toward creating an environment that truly cares for our team members, no one is better suited to lead that charge in labor matters than Lucretia.”

 

[WeAAsles]

HAD ENOUGH YET?


Steve Johnson is Executive Vice President – Corporate Affairs. He is responsible for corporate and legal affairs, government and regulatory affairs, labor relations, real estate and airport affairs and for outreach to the business communities in cities that American serves.

Huh?

This guy I’m sure came in to be the closer. I’m also sure he absolutely believed that what he brought with him was going to be wholeheartedly accepted and appreciated.

People at those levels just have an absolute loss of reality about people on our levels.

They were disconnected a long time ago.

 

[WeAAsles]

http://news.aa.com/press-releases/p...-Officers-to-Corporate-Functions/default.aspx

Labor Relations and Deputy General Counsel
Lucretia Guia has been promoted to Vice President – Labor Relations and Deputy General Counsel, a position that was previously open.

“Lucretia is a proven leader and has a history of working collaboratively with our team members, union representatives, and internal and external counsel,” said Paul Jones, American’s Senior Vice President and General Counsel, to whom Guia will report. “As we continue to work toward creating an environment that truly cares for our team members, no one is better suited to lead that charge in labor matters than Lucretia.”

Stephen Johnsen is 5th from the top of the Corporate ladder.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/about-us/corporate-structure.jsp

 

[Tim Nelson]

 

[WeAAsles]

He’s not in charge of labor relations, as you see the VP of Labor Relations doesn’t answer to him.

Every AA Manager answers to these top 5 who ultimately answer to the BOD who ultimately answer to the Shareholders.

But he’s still not Parker or Isom.

 

[WeAAsles]

She answers to Paul Jones.

Oh ok then I guess the Company can just get rid of the top 5 then since no one answers to them?

 

[Rogallo]

VP (Guia) reports to SVP (Jones) who reports to EVP (Johnson) who reports to CEO (We all know who!).

Correct? So who the hell is calling the shots?

I'm not on a windows machine so I can't pull up the SharpChart

 

[Rogallo]

Oh crap, I forgot our illustrious President Robert D. Isom Jr. Has a nice ring to it, eh?

 

[WeAAsles]

VP (Guia) reports to SVP (Jones) who reports to EVP (Johnson) who reports to CEO (We all know who!).

Correct? So who the hell is calling the shots?

I'm not on a windows machine so I can't pull up the SharpChart

Rogallo I think the points been made. On another note let me ask you something on this.

“”””Beyond the increases from August 2016 (varied between 15 – 55%, averaged 24%), increase base pay to higher than the current industry leader at signing with additional 2% increases in each following year of the contract’s duration. All members would receive a sign-on bonus of $3,000.””””

Again to point out they don’t say how much higher so I don’t know how the Company expects any of us to want to jump on it and pressure our Negotiators to sign? I think the whole paragraph is weird personally.

How far off are you from either UAL or DAL currently which you and I both know is who Management intends to compare you too?

For us we’re already the current industry leader. That’s why I did math on us at only 1%.

 

[Insatiable]

You forgot to throw in that with our pension it is sure to be mismanaged, the higher-ups will be dipping into it for their exotic trips and parties, and they will reduce your take home amount anytime they want. So where is the math for that against the 401k. I mean 401k managed by Fidelity and the IAM pension managed by Clarke W Griswald’s - Cousin Eddy. I mean it is not real you haven’t gotten paid yet. Just an imaginary number with an IOU for an amount that will certainly change when you need it and are counting on it.

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,

Don't get me wrong, a 401k plan is a good supplement to your retirement, but even the individuals who came up with the 401k, have said it was meant as a supplement to a pension. The math favors the pension and without a crystal ball, I have to go with math over feelings. Add in the fact that we are being charged for 100% of the members putting in 4% to get the other 4% match, knowing 100% aren't putting in the 4% bothers me. Why would anybody be ok with being charged and letting the company pocket money? Again, I will reiterate, the math favors the pension.

P. Rez