JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

Thats sounds bout right .There is no excuse for any crappy ta to come to members in an era whereas the airlines making billions year over year

Absolutely, Possitively. Stupid Management already burned through wasting 10 Billion of partially OUR Money on buybacks to try and prop up the share price. A part of that could have easily have went to make a much better offer than they’re trying to throw at us now.

We should be setting the bar now that others should follow. And like our Mechanics basically said here in MIA shut the hell up about other Airlines Dougie.

 

[AANOTOK]

Actually it’s Alex, Mike, Gary and both the Fleet and Maintenance TWU Negotiators who are sticking with the IAM just to clarify it for you.

And buddy I got no problem waiting some years. Just takes you longer to get that 401k Match you say you really need to “START” saving for your retirement.

My contract is fine with me right now.

You have no problem waiting years?? How about those of us who would like to retire before "years"
There are many...

 

[WeAAsles]

You have no problem waiting years?? How about those of us who would like to retire before "years"
There are many...

The one thing I have to say about Forums posters is you all would make lousy Poker players.

Maybe I’m bluffing, maybe I’m not?

Remember when Parker said to the old fart here in MIA that there wasn’t going to be a buyout. “Stick around”

He was bluffing.

But also financially speaking for myself I’m ok and I’ve got a few more years left to go so frankly I think I’d be alright after spending years stuck at $21.00 per hour.

Again maybe I’m bluffing, maybe I’m not?

 

[Kev3188]

The one thing I have to say about Forums posters is you all would make lousy Poker players.

Maybe I’m bluffing, maybe I’m not?

Remember when Parker said to the old fart here in MIA that there wasn’t going to be a buyout. “Stick around”

He was bluffing.

But also financially speaking for myself I’m ok and I’ve got a few more years left to go so frankly I think I’d be alright after spending years stuck at $21.00 per hour.

Again maybe I’m bluffing, maybe I’m not?

Maybe everyone in labor should drop the Kabuki theater and rhetoric, and just go with real talk.

Bosses use the same playbook over and over because it (sadly) continues to work.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe everyone in labor should drop the Kabuki theater and rhetoric, and just go with real talk.

Bosses use the same playbook over and over because it (sadly) continues to work.

Speaking the truth is such a wonderful old fashioned naive relic of a time that uh, never existed.

Hey Company are you reading here? Kev wants me to let you know that I’m a greedy little bastard and if you give me enough cash I’ll even sell my own Mother to ya.

Real talk Kev is EVERYONE has a price and EVERYONE can be bought if that price is right.

Some of us whores are just more expensive than others.

 

[Kev3188]

That’s nice.

At the table, it would be a refreshing change. My bet is the company wouldn’t know how to react.

But don’t you worry about a thing, WeAAsles; just keep workin’ on your tan.

 

[WeAAsles]

That’s nice.

At the table, it would be a refreshing change. My bet is the company wouldn’t know how to react.

But don’t you worry about a thing, WeAAsles; just keep workin’ on your tan.

I’m sitting in front of Starbucks with a friend this evening just enjoying the cool breeze and a Mocha Frappe.

How’s the rest of the Country doing tonight?

 

[Kev3188]

Cold AF.

If you have company, put your phone away!

 

[NYer]

You have no problem waiting years?? How about those of us who would like to retire before "years"
There are many...

He ridiculed those of us that said this would take years.

He predicted at least 5 different finish lines.

Now he's in the "years" camp? His handlers have really done a number on his credibility.

C'est la vie.

 

[WeAAsles]

He ridiculed those of us that said this would take years.

He predicted at least 5 different finish lines.

Now he's in the "years" camp? His handlers have really done a number on his credibility.

C'est la vie.

Well since I heard you arrived in DCA and SFO and you started doing a little smooch smooch smooching there I guess you’re being handled too now, lol.

Oh and your handlers are your Union bosses. Particularly Alex Garcia. Whoever would have guessed, you kissing Alex’s butt. lmao.

And I’m certainly not in the years camp. That was me messing with Little Timmy, lmfao.

 

[B737 driver]

You have no problem waiting years?? How about those of us who would like to retire before "years"
There are many...

Just like in SWA land, not myself personally, there are guys that want to retire, or have 5 years or less, and would approve this current offer. So who knows how it will come out.

 

[737823]

Irrelevant. AGAIN provide me verifiable documentation that the NMB can force any Labor organization to put an AIP out for a vote to its general Membership?

Perhaps you need to view things the other way. The NMB could schedule even more talks for any group who hasn’t come to a deal knowing that the others have concluded and are waiting for their last Brothers and Sisters to join them?

Weez when Sito addressed the TWU convention in LAS he said the RLA may require them by law to vote an agreement (with a recommendation of no):



(Proceed to 15:15)

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Just like in SWA land, not myself personally, there are guys that want to retire, or have 5 years or less, and would approve this current offer. So who knows how it will come out.

If done right, and Early Out can be win-win for the company and labor both, but often it’s used as a shiny object to mask other less desirable items in a T/A (or at least make the offer pass). Let’s hope that doesn’t happen here?

 

[swamt]

Irrelevant. AGAIN provide me verifiable documentation that the NMB can force any Labor organization to put an AIP out for a vote to its general Membership?

I believe the NMB just did it to us. The union's update said something about "with the help of the mediator" some last minute changes were made and they decided to let the membership decide.
Another slight confusion is they are calling ours a T/A---BUT with other statements like, "they will be working hard to finalize everything to get to a T/A for a vote. So I am still asking myself is it an AIP with no endorsement from the union and NC? And how does it become a T/A if the NC does not endorse it??

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That's the current Association position but each CBA stands alone and can be reached at independent intervals.

If the negatives are taken away from the Fleet positions it becomes harder to keep everyone tied with one another and if we go into Section 6 it would be probable the negotiations would be separated.

i suppose it could work the other way too: give maintenance what they want and outsource everything under the fsc sun.

you say one group can/may get to vote on a TA without the other group having anything. a negotiator answered the query with a riddle; don't tip anyone's hand?

we know the company knows exactly what scenario(s) can play out; otherwise, they wouldn't be paying astronomical retainers to their labor attorneys. i just hope the assoc.'s legal experts aren't the same lot that 'guided' the twu through the equity adventure.