JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Worldport]

By the way it's threw. Just saying.
 
The word threw is the simple past of the verb to throw, “to propel through the air”:
throw threw (have) thrown
 
The word through is a preposition used to indicate penetration or passage:
The bullet traveled through the vest. The hikers crawled through the low tunnel.
 
You are welcome.

Your You're a D##k

 

[Worldport]

By the way it's threw. Just saying.
 
The word threw is the simple past of the verb to throw, “to propel through the air”:
throw threw (have) thrown
 
The word through is a preposition used to indicate penetration or passage:
The bullet traveled through the vest. The hikers crawled through the low tunnel.
 
You are welcome.

This guy took over where 700 left off

 

[Vortilon]

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/installation-maintenance-and-repair/aircraft-and-avionics-equipment-mechanics-and-technicians.htm
 
Aircraft and avionics equipment mechanics and technicians repair and perform scheduled maintenance on aircraft. They also may perform aircraft inspections as required by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
 
2015 MEDIAN PAY: $58,390 per year $28.07 per hour
 
Job Outlook 1% (Little or no change)
Employment of aircraft and avionics equipment mechanics and technicians is projected to show little or no change from 2014 to 2024. Job prospects will be best for mechanics who hold an Airframe and Powerplant (A&P) certificate.
 
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493011.htm
 
Percentile Hourly Wage Annual Wage
10% $16.71 $34,770
25% $22.46 $46,720
50% $28.06 $58,370
75% $35.09 $72,990
90% $42.81 $89,050
 
Don't let UNION propaganda convince you that you don't have a good job. 

 
Why don't you go ahead and post the same link for BLS on Pilot pay over on the Pilots thread?  Tell one of our Captains that they shouldn't listen to their union, yada yada.  Why not do the same for the Baggage Handlers as well?   You know you won't get any traction.  Most of us know within a buck or two how much AMTs make at other companies.  So, some BLS salary survey (which includes all the little **** bag outfits) isn't going to benefit anybody working at a major Airline. 

 

[Buck]

They through you a bone why not wait until the dust settles with UA and WN this way the negotiators have a stronger case for more improvement.If the new formula is UA+1% might as well wait 

Why?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

This is the AMT thread last time I checked.  How about - all non AMTs find their own threads.  This gibberish above serves no purpose. 

Your You're a D##k

You mean you don't appreciate my public service to keep you from looking like a bunch of uneducated buffoons?
 
I guess I am threw correcting your misuse and corruption of the English language.
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Why don't you go ahead and post the same link for BLS on Pilot pay over on the Pilots thread?  Tell one of our Captains that they shouldn't listen to their union, yada yada.  Why not do the same for the Baggage Handlers as well?   You know you won't get any traction.  Most of us know within a buck or two how much AMTs make at other companies.  So, some BLS salary survey (which includes all the little #### bag outfits) isn't going to benefit anybody working at a major Airline. 

Being in the top 90th percentile is being in the top 90th percentile, despite the little #### bag outfits.
 
I am not telling you not to listen to your UNION.
 
I know better than that.
 
After all, you listened to them when they sold you those concessionary contracts because you thought you were saving your pensions. How did that work out for you?

 

[Vortilon]

Being in the top 90th percentile is being in the top 90th percentile, despite the little #### bag outfits.
 
I am not telling you not to listen to your UNION.
 
I know better than that.
 
After all, you listened to them when they sold you those concessionary contracts because you thought you were saving your pensions. How did that work out for you?

 
 
You failed to respond to my question.  You have your way of negotiating, which; correct me if I'm wrong, goes something like "I can see we are in the 90th percentile Mr Parker - that's plenty - we are done now."  Then, there is actually negotiating for the best contract - my preferred way. 
 
BTW, in case you haven't been paying attention on this BB for the last decade or so, your assumptions couldn't be further from the truth.  Regarding the pension, it's frozen at about 25 years - not gone.  It's probably a good thing to have a combination of the two types of retirement plans anyway.  It's just a little more money in my 401K in the end.
 
Now, why don't you be a sport and bounce.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You failed to respond to my question.  You have your way of negotiating, which; correct me if I'm wrong, goes something like "I can see we are in the 90th percentile Mr Parker - that's plenty - we are done now."  Then, there is actually negotiating for the best contract - my preferred way. 
 
BTW, in case you haven't been paying attention on this BB for the last decade or so, your assumptions couldn't be further from the truth.  Regarding the pension, it's frozen at about 25 years - not gone.  It's probably a good thing to have a combination of the two types of retirement plans anyway.  It's just a little more money in my 401K in the end.
 
Now, why don't you be a sport and bounce.

Right.........because going to the company with a request for more compensation with no other justification than a shipping company offers their aircraft mechanics more compensation is a valid negotiation tactic in a heavily UNIONized industry where they have seniority locked "lifers" who, let's face it, are going NOWHERE despite the outcome of the contract.
 
Something you are not considering is the company is more concerned about attracting new employees than satisfying "lifers". Considering your compensation package is in the top 10th percentile I think they have accomplished that. From their perspective why should they negotiate. They can attract new employees and you are not going anywhere. We all know the TWU is not going to strike.
 
The company does not think you deserve more just because another company, who is NOT in the airline business, is compensating their mechanics more.
 
It's time to visit Realville. 
 
You live in a fantasy world where you think you deserve just because someone else has. The world does not work that way despite what socialist UNION propaganda may claim.
 
Instead of trying to use the compensation package of another company in a totally different business to justify your ask why don't you base your ask on the merits of the American Airlines maintenance program . That is all I am saying.
 
Or you can keep trying to justify what you want from a position of fantasy and stupidity. It's your choice. In the end I really don't care.
 
 
Yes, your pension is frozen and not gone but, lets not forget, the company tried to dump it on the PBGC. The fact your pension is frozen and not gone has NOTHING to do with the UNION.

 

[Buck]

If the company and the union representation want to visit Realville, then perhaps other than maintenance classifications will visit also.

 

[matt]

We have been treated badly for years. Below the wing and above the wing. The reason is not so much the company does not recognize us. It is that we have had substandard representation.

 

[Buck]

We have been treated badly for years. Below the wing and above the wing. The reason is not so much the company does not recognize us. It is that we have had substandard representation.

Or more like substandard for Maintenance, due to the fact that here are other classifications within the Socialistic structure of those representing us.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

We have been treated badly for years. Below the wing and above the wing. The reason is not so much the company does not recognize us. It is that we have had substandard representation.

Or more like substandard for Maintenance, due to the fact that here are other classifications within the Socialistic structure of those representing us.

 
Which is exactly what I have been trying to tell the patrons of this forum for years.
 

Of course the ROOT of the problem is the labor organization.
 
The Association only exist for 2 purposes. To fund Democratic politicians and to create dependency within the membership.
 
You work for a Democrat funding machine. Making you feel powerless and incapable is in the UNIONs best interest. It is the same tactic a socialist uses. He creates a "victim" class and convinces them the only way they can succeed in life is with the help of government. Of course that help never leads to independence because then the socialist loses his power.
 
It is a con job.
 
You get it now?
 
Wake up man. The Association could care less about your standard of living. Why do you think they always try to keep your base pay the same or higher and allow the company to slash your benefits? The answer is slashing your benefits does not cost THEM any money. They could care less if you have decent vacation or sick time..........

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Which is exactly what I have been trying to tell the patrons of this forum for years.

-4
 
Maybe one day the fools will catch on to the con.

 

[toroshark]

Yo lali-ladopehead. You aren't and never been a AA AMT. Shut up and go worry about your new job. Which the conversation seems to imply that you were trained by our tax dollars. Nobody here gives a crap about your okie-fascists opinions. Get a life dork.

 

[Vortilon]

Right.........because going to the company with a request for more compensation with no other justification than a shipping company offers their aircraft mechanics more compensation is a valid negotiation tactic in a heavily UNIONized industry where they have seniority locked "lifers" who, let's face it, are going NOWHERE despite the outcome of the contract.
 
Something you are not considering is the company is more concerned about attracting new employees than satisfying "lifers". Considering your compensation package is in the top 10th percentile I think they have accomplished that. From their perspective why should they negotiate. They can attract new employees and you are not going anywhere. We all know the TWU is not going to strike.
 
The company does not think you deserve more just because another company, who is NOT in the airline business, is compensating their mechanics more.
 
It's time to visit Realville. 
 
You live in a fantasy world where you think you deserve just because someone else has. The world does not work that way despite what socialist UNION propaganda may claim.
 
Instead of trying to use the compensation package of another company in a totally different business to justify your ask why don't you base your ask on the merits of the American Airlines maintenance program . That is all I am saying.
 
Or you can keep trying to justify what you want from a position of fantasy and stupidity. It's your choice. In the end I really don't care.
 
 
Yes, your pension is frozen and not gone but, lets not forget, the company tried to dump it on the PBGC. The fact your pension is frozen and not gone has NOTHING to do with the UNION.

 
Not sure what your interest is in an AMT forum, you didn't even play one on TV, or maybe you stayed at a Holiday in Express recently?  You make a lot of assumptions on what our motivation for a better contract are.  When AA's AMTs were the lowest compensated in the industry, you were okay with that?  What UPS and Fed Ex pay their AMTs; as it turns out,is a factor for wages and benefits when negotiating.  You even said as much, would they not be competing for the same new hires?  It is, after all, the same profession.  Besides, our pay is pretty close with our industry peers now, we just need to restore the other important items that our union gave away. 
Regarding "lifers", many of us could retire right now, and start collecting our frozen pension, and relocate - even pick up another job in a city where we actually wanted to live.  It's happening right now.  BTW, you brought up the whole pension bit - not me. 
 
Why would we want to base our pay on a maintenance program that most of us think sucks?  Management is lucky that they have a skilled workforce like ours; if for no other reason then to, to save them from themselves.