JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[matt]

We gave up a huge bargaining chip with the ok to work on each other's metal. I'm not saying the future raise is bad. Not to sound greedy but I would still like to see the 4% the rest of the employees received. I found a letter which gave the pilot group the 4% while they were in negotiations. I hope this raise does not include the 4%! IMO

 

[WeAAsles]

We gave up a huge bargaining chip with the ok to work on each other's metal. I'm not saying the future raise is bad. Not to sound greedy but I would still like to see the 4% the rest of the employees received. I found a letter which gave the pilot group the 4% while they were in negotiations. I hope this raise does not include the 4%! IMO

Of course the raise included the 4% because the pie got much larger. Pizza pie. Small ball of dough makes a small pie. Add more dough to the (4%) ball of dough and you have a much larger pie.

You NEVER lost the 4%. It only got MUCH larger.

 

[WeAAsles]

You guys got 3% above Delta. If UAL IBT had said yes to their deal you would have went up (like Fleet) probably 1% above them.

Hopefully you guys will secure a "me too" against UAL if they come to a new agreement that passes before you get your full JCBA?

 

[chilokie1]

Having this partial agreement without a vote (good or bad) still bothers me,
they could have just as easily added the IAMPF for all LAA members and 
what recourse other then a lawsuit would we have? Either way this deal had
to be done for the high cost stations, let us now focus on keeping the IAMPF
from being shoved down our throats. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Having this partial agreement without a vote (good or bad) still bothers me,
they could have just as easily added the IAMPF for all LAA members and 
what recourse other then a lawsuit would we have? Either way this deal had
to be done for the high cost stations, let us now focus on keeping the IAMPF
from being shoved down our throats.

Does a vote matter if nobody believes that's real either? For you unless it fails you might say the vote was rigged?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Having this partial agreement without a vote (good or bad) still bothers me,
they could have just as easily added the IAMPF for all LAA members and 
what recourse other then a lawsuit would we have? Either way this deal had
to be done for the high cost stations, let us now focus on keeping the IAMPF
from being shoved down our throats. 

Good point Chilokie.  Yeah the bad thing is that we gave up our leverage but the guys in high cost areas needed the cash now so I'm good with it.  Hoping life will be a little easier for them all now.  As for me I'm seriously considering quitting my second job.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Wonder why you guys cannot copy and post from the unions web site or updates, Hmmmmm...

I scanned the chart and have it but can't copy/paste to this site.  For some reason it is not possible for me to do that here.

 

[AAmechanic]

Here it is!
http://www.usaamerger.com/2016/08/10/association-american-loas-and-transition-agreements-now-available-to-view/

 

[AANOTOK]

The lump sum is open for interpretation. Zero hard numbers.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The lump sum is open for interpretation. Zero hard numbers.

 
23% x 2080 =478.4hrs. 478.4 x $9.13 = $4367.80. AMT numbers, ymmv

 

[AANOTOK]

So they didn't go by the 3 months (480 hrs) x raise like Peterson said. They went the cheapest route.

 

[AANOTOK]

In fleet, they didn't give a formula. Uh oh...

 

[Deleted member 14439]

So they didn't go by the 3 months (480 hrs) x raise like Peterson said. They went the cheapest route.

 
Looks to me like it comes out about right.

 

[AANOTOK]

Thanks hog. Is it based on 2080 from last year for everyone or is it what you worked up to 2080. In other words if you worked 1500 hours last year is that what they use. Sorry hog, but thanks.

 

[Worldport]

 
Looks to me like it comes out about right.

Whats a MOC?