JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[1AA]

Maybe we should just join them on our own! Carry their signs! Start a ripple!
As long as we do not hi-jack their protest with ours. Would that not be a hoot,
TWU, IAM & Teamster mechanic & related supporting our class & craft at a SWA
informational picket. No politics! No raid discussion! No cards being passed!
Just real unionism in action!
"But Archie AMFA is not a union! They are an ASSOCIATION"

Really? IAM crosses AMFA picket line during NWA strike.
IBT creates interference drive at AA against AMFA and then files against the TWU.
Industrial unionism has no place in our class and craft.
They all leap over each other as well as try to screw each other for the conquering of union dues.
Do you need an example?
The Association!

 

[matt]

I heard about IAM crossing picket line during NWA strike. When some of the IAM came to work in PHX, we found them out and life was not easy for them!

 

[matt]

I have been following all the post about our negotiations. I know I don't always agree with whom is at the table but that is what we have. I realize it is hard to trust our union. I have been in MX for 35 years and Want to have my big pay day, but not if it is going to cost our mechanics some of their jobs! Remember we are the union, not the people doing our negotiations. I've been with the UAW, IBT,IAM and now IAM/TWU. Instead of pointing fingers at each other, let's take a full page ad in the USA Today emphasising our treatment and how the safety of the public traveling on our aircraft is our number 1goal. IMO

 

[chilokie1]

Really? IAM crosses AMFA picket line during NWA strike.
IBT creates interference drive at AA against AMFA and then files against the TWU.
Industrial unionism has no place in our class and craft.
They all leap over each other as well as try to screw each other for the conquering of union dues.
Do you need an example?
The Association![/quot




I'am very aware of the IAM scabs at Northwest but my point was in the
first line, we do it on our own! It goes without saying that any member of any
Union that crossed a picket line is not welcome, anywhere actually.

I'am more concerned about the future of airline mechanics then any alphabetical
list of unions, make your Union tell you that they are more important then your
class & craft by being told it is not in your best interests to support Southwest
mechanics. Let them show their true colors, that their only concern is your monthly
donation to their organization.

I despised all the unions under the AFL-CIO when they refused to support the
mechanics at Northwest, I support my local but I have washed my hands with
the international and the ASS.

 

[Kev3188]

Really? IAM crosses AMFA picket line during NWA strike.
IBT creates interference drive at AA against AMFA and then files against the TWU.
Industrial unionism has no place in our class and craft.
They all leap over each other as well as try to screw each other for the conquering of union dues.
Do you need an example?
The Association!

All due respect, I think you missed Chilokie's point.

And yes, I think his idea is a good one.

 

[ASSociation Clown]

All due respect, I think you missed Chilokie's point.

And yes, I think his idea is a good one.

 
That's because the overall mentality of us at AA look at the union as an organization, and not as members.  I agree, Chilokie makes a great point.
 
However here we like to point the finger at an organization, while we as members are cutting deal after deal with the same management team that refuses to pay us.  Overall I can say that the majority think that by paying dues it removes our responsibility to act as unionist.  This mentality is so ingrained that I doubt it would change with a change of unions.  It's the "I paid my dues, I cut my deal, where's my contract" mentality.  Picket, you kidding me, that cuts into my overtime, and besides I pay the union to do that.  It is a bizarre place that gets worse with each stop on my layoff train.  Miami being the latest stop... :blink:   
 
That said, I'm not giving up on unionism..or cutting a deal for myself. 

 

[Buck]

The good thing is that the union has selected a candidate for president for the membership to consider.....

 

[conehead777]

I have been following all the post about our negotiations. I know I don't always agree with whom is at the table but that is what we have. I realize it is hard to trust our union. I have been in MX for 35 years and Want to have my big pay day, but not if it is going to cost our mechanics some of their jobs! Remember we are the union, not the people doing our negotiations. I've been with the UAW, IBT,IAM and now IAM/TWU. Instead of pointing fingers at each other, let's take a full page ad in the USA Today emphasising our treatment and how the safety of the public traveling on our aircraft is our number 1goal. IMO

 
Welcome to the twu thats there motto jobs for pay and benefits cut. Do not by into it, they sale the contracts get the pay cuts after the ink is dry the company lays off any way. The twu response they can do that brother. So its time we go for the pay day, we def need to come together as a group and take back our profession and let the company and union know we will not take it any more. The pilots and fas do that . They do not seem to get walked all over like the twu amts do. Those groups got all of there equity , we as a group need to sue the twu for our equity. That was our money not the twus . They should of used dues money but the the intl president might have to cut his pay. Serves him right after all the money the twu has stole from us

 

[ASSociation Clown]

 
Welcome to the twu thats there motto jobs for pay and benefits cut. Do not by into it, they sale the contracts get the pay cuts after the ink is dry the company lays off any way. The twu response they can do that brother. So its time we go for the pay day, we def need to come together as a group and take back our profession and let the company and union know we will not take it any more. The pilots and fas do that . They do not seem to get walked all over like the twu amts do. Those groups got all of there equity , we as a group need to sue the twu for our equity. That was our money not the twus . They should of used dues money but the the intl president might have to cut his pay. Serves him right after all the money the twu has stole from us

 
 
You do realize that the APA and APFA did there distribution differently and gave the equity to those retiring.  So based on your theory of those groups got all of theres, we would of gotten all of ours, along with the early outs.  What you got is what you would have gotten. Do you seriously not understand that those who took the money and left are suing each of us for our stock, and the judge ordered the stock not to be given to us.  Just read the case if you don't want to believe the union, thats what I did.

 

[swamt]

I heard about IAM crossing picket line during NWA strike. When some of the IAM came to work in PHX, we found them out and life was not easy for them!

Good to hear that.
 

All due respect, I think you missed Chilokie's point.

And yes, I think his idea is a good one.

Me too. 

 

[1AA]

All due respect, I think you missed Chilokie's point.
And yes, I think his idea is a good one.

Good idea? Yes but don't involve the other unions. We should just do it on our own. The industrial unions keep flipping back and forth to give us that worm and fuzzy feeling one day and flip the next and tell us it's in our best interest. We all know that the IAM, TWU and IBT hate AMFA. It's a great idea to unite all AMT'S for one cause. My opinion of course.

 

[Kev3188]

Not involving other unions was his point in the first place!

Only thing I'd add is that uniting all of labor for one cause is a great idea. Hopefully an opinion we share?

 

[chilokie1]

Good idea? Yes but don't involve the other unions. We should just do it on our own. The industrial unions keep flipping back and forth to give us that worm and fuzzy feeling one day and flip the next and tell us it's in our best interest. We all know that the IAM, TWU and IBT hate AMFA. It's a great idea to unite all AMT'S for one cause. My opinion of course.[/quote




I never said to include any union leadership or even their blessing,
it's all about our class & craft. Support the mechanics at Southwest
not AMFA! Yes I would love to have AMFA on our property but this
Is about us! I never supported the Teamster card drive at AA but if
Swamt worked at United and told us about an informational picket
I would have said the same thing.

I definitely understand your hatred of the IAM scabs, I grew up 15
minutes from MSP, I know a lot of guys that now work at Koch refinery
and Anderson Windows because they were stabbed in the back by
their own Union brothers, I even know a TWU scab who retired from
AA and went directly to work for NW.

 

[Buck]

The good thing is that the union has selected a candidate for president for the membership to consider.....

Ok. Whoever gave me the Red mark on my post, are you voting for the union's selection?

 

[Real tired]

I heard about IAM crossing picket line during NWA strike. When some of the IAM came to work in PHX, we found them out and life was not easy for them!

 
I don't understand what you meant by "when some of the IAM came to work in PHX."
 
Do you mean when some on the original USAIrways East people from PHL, PIT and CLT came to PHX you made life hard for them in PHX?  And how were they found out?