JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Real tired]

Watch out what you say about the IAMNPF.  They'll figure out a way to stuff that up our collective A$$ without a vote either.  Can they find an arbitrator that will force that on us along with their insane seniority rules?  I wouldn't doubt it.  They know we will never vote yes on anything that includes the IAMNPF so I look for more underhanded tactics to keep us from voting.  Have we gotten to vote on a single thing yet with this association?  I say we start a card campaign right now and be ready when the 2 years is up and submit them on the first day possible.  The association is a cancer that is killing us slowly.  We need to get rid of it.

I think it's going to be "Groundhog Day" for us with this pension thing.
 
All the silence from the "negotiating team" make me think of '08 when they slammed us with it.

 

[bigjets]

Remember when we fought to get our own locals, then our union closed them, remember how we signed AMFA and IBT cards trying to get a new union, and the IBT filed then pulled out there by locking out AMFA for a year, then the announced merger. 
 
Remember how all the other employees got raises, not once but 4 times, and we got nothing, it's a daunting fight when you have two large organizations, the company and the union we pay to represent us to the company both working to keep you down. 

 

[767 mechanic]

You got that right.  I asked some of the union reps today when we are going to do something like picket and they just shrugged.  I guess they would have to get permission from the IAM.  Like that would ever happen.

 
From what I was told the iam people that are in negotiations are completely against speaking out against the company and there foot dragging. Anybody with any common sense can see that the iam is in bed with the company and would rather beg for scraps than fight for what we deserve. We thought that the twu was spinless the iam blows them away. The iam's new name should be NOODLEBACK association.

 

[conehead777]

Watch out what you say about the IAMNPF.  They'll figure out a way to stuff that up our collective A$$ without a vote either.  Can they find an arbitrator that will force that on us along with their insane seniority rules?  I wouldn't doubt it.  They know we will never vote yes on anything that includes the IAMNPF so I look for more underhanded tactics to keep us from voting.  Have we gotten to vote on a single thing yet with this association?  I say we start a card campaign right now and be ready when the 2 years is up and submit them on the first day possible.  The association is a cancer that is killing us slowly.  We need to get rid of it.

i agree a with you 100 percent

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Watch out what you say about the IAMNPF.  They'll figure out a way to stuff that up our collective A$$ without a vote either.  Can they find an arbitrator that will force that on us along with their insane seniority rules?  I wouldn't doubt it.  They know we will never vote yes on anything that includes the IAMNPF so I look for more underhanded tactics to keep us from voting.  Have we gotten to vote on a single thing yet with this association?  I say we start a card campaign right now and be ready when the 2 years is up and submit them on the first day possible.  The association is a cancer that is killing us slowly.  We need to get rid of it.

Card drive? Really? Please tell me you are joking. There will be no change of unions. People are sheep, afraid of change. They have sold their integrity and courage for a little false security. Every single person that refused to sign an AMFA card is to blame for this association. These guys did not have the courage to stand up to the twu. Now we all are going to pay. Card drive? Give me a break!

 

[chilokie1]

Watch out what you say about the IAMNPF.  They'll figure out a way to stuff that up our collective A$$ without a vote either.  Can they find an arbitrator that will force that on us along with their insane seniority rules?  I wouldn't doubt it.  They know we will never vote yes on anything that includes the IAMNPF so I look for more underhanded tactics to keep us from voting.  Have we gotten to vote on a single thing yet with this association?  I say we start a card campaign right now and be ready when the 2 years is up and submit them on the first day possible.  The association is a cancer that is killing us slowly.  We need to get rid of it.

 
I think we will get an idea of where this this is all heading after the seniority ruling comes down.
Maybe it is the AFL-CIO ***** slapping the TWU for the way it screwed the TWA IAM members.
 
"Ain't karma a *****"

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I watched the new Crew News today on jetnet and Scott Kirby offered a pilot the lump sum retirement payment in exchange for "The right amount of seats on Eagle".  He told this guy it would be good for the pilots because their future is wide body overseas flights.  Unless I am missing something I'm taking this to mean that all narrow body aircraft will be given to Eagle and that will be the end of us.  Now one might think the pilots wouldn't go for that but one thing I have learned in my 30 plus years at AA is to never underestimate anyone's greed.  It was the pilots who got us into this mess after all and they have never thought of anyone but themselves.  If they could work a deal where they continued to fly our narrow bodies while they are owned by Eagle they'd do it in a heartbeat.  Nice working with you guys.  There are only going to be so many slots for AMTs on the wide body gates.  All narrow body domestic will be Eagle.  So now we know what their plan really is.  

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Ok I just talked to a pilot I know and he said there is no way the pilot's union would go for that.  He said that at US Air they offered a lump sum retirement to their pilots and added years to their age or time of service to enhance it.  The money was paid straight from the pension fund and was never put back in.  US Air then filed BK and trashed the underfunded pension.  So he thinks they are trying to do the same thing again.  He told me not to worry about it.  I believe this guy.

 

[Real tired]

Card drive? Really? Please tell me you are joking. There will be no change of unions. People are sheep, afraid of change. They have sold their integrity and courage for a little false security. Every single person that refused to sign an AMFA card is to blame for this association. These guys did not have the courage to stand up to the twu. Now we all are going to pay. Card drive? Give me a break!

 
The typical US IAM member.  Afraid of change.  Happy with the way things are, and want somebody else to do "it" for them.

 

[FWAAA]

I watched the new Crew News today on jetnet and Scott Kirby offered a pilot the lump sum retirement payment in exchange for "The right amount of seats on Eagle".  He told this guy it would be good for the pilots because their future is wide body overseas flights.  Unless I am missing something I'm taking this to mean that all narrow body aircraft will be given to Eagle and that will be the end of us.  Now one might think the pilots wouldn't go for that but one thing I have learned in my 30 plus years at AA is to never underestimate anyone's greed.  It was the pilots who got us into this mess after all and they have never thought of anyone but themselves.  If they could work a deal where they continued to fly our narrow bodies while they are owned by Eagle they'd do it in a heartbeat.  Nice working with you guys.  There are only going to be so many slots for AMTs on the wide body gates.  All narrow body domestic will be Eagle.  So now we know what their plan really is.

No, you're incorrect; there is no proposal nor plan to give all narrowbody planes to Eagle. That's not what this proposal is about.

Parker and Kirby don't like the fact that pilots at UA, DL and AA have all stood firm on the 76-seat outsourced limit - think CRJ-900 and E175.

With 12 First Class seats and just 64 main cabin, their seating is not very dense. Parker and Kirby are offering the mainline pilots a deal in exchange for permitting 80-82 seats on the 76-seaters. Instead of 12 F, something like 6 F and 74 to 78 main cabin seats.

There is already precedent for this at AA, as the LUS pilots did not stand firm against Parker and LUS had some 80-seat CRJ-900s. The APA was in such a rush to get the merger that they did not require Parker reconfigure those planes, and Parker and Kirby have been pining to increase the seating density of all Eagle 76-seaters since the day of the merger.

If the APA were to agree to this, then the pilots at UA and DL would probably never permit an AA pilot to jumpseat again. DL and UA pilots wouldn't piss on AA pilots if they were on fire. Acordingly, there is about a zero percent chance that AA's pilots agree to do this. Parker and Kirby will have to increase the seating density of every other plane instead.

 

[skinvalve]

 Per the TWU mechanic CBA on July 01 the number scheduled departures per station should have been counted to determine if additional stations need to be opened and staffed with TWU mech's. Any numbers posted and which stations may be required to open? Ref Article I

 

[chellow]

Anyone knows what happen to the 14% of the stock the union stole from us..

 

[conehead777]

Anyone knows what happen to the 14% of the stock the union stole from us..

its gone the twu doing what it dose best taking our money are giving it away to the company in 13 years of pay and benefit cuts

 

[1AA]

Money is gone or stolen from the very members it's suppose to represent. But that's OK. You see no one is mad about anything the twu or the association has done
to us so far. All we keep asking is for Delta plus 7 or 4 or 3. We keep asking where is our money? That seems to be the only important thing. We are going to continue to get screwed by the twu. We will be blind to all this and just keep asking where is our money.

 

[767 mechanic]

Assuming the twu wins this lawsuit. Does anyone think that the twu will counter sue the people that filed the law suit in order to recover our money that we are paying to defend ourselves???????????  First of all our monthly dues should have paid for this lawsuit not our equity stake. My bet is no. They will have some sort of bullshit excuse.