JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Tim Nelson]

leave Tim alone he makes perfect sense. I'm glad he has posted here. To let us aa members know the truth. I believe Tim and real tired. And not you the reason there's more people on here who are in it who. Speak out against it. I do not want a union must less a union giving up major connsesions controlling my retirement money

The iam never puts out the plan documents. Out of 210,000 participants, only 80,000 are paying into it, and the funding lost another chunk this year according to my plan docs. Its actual funding is now back down to 94% although its most favorable funding math was pegged down to 101% now, a steep drop already from the 110% from the infusion of cuts off our backs.
Vesting is only after 5 years, so you better put in 5 years. If you want to protect your spouse if you die then you either have to claim the spousal offset which the iam pockets and whacks YOUR benefits up to another 40% or your wife or husband gets zero and as Willy Wonka said, "You get nothing..have a good day, SIR".

Never mind that you get YOUR pension suspended if you go back to work....and you must work at least 33 hrs a week or you get credit whackings. We had one retiree who thought he was goin to get $500 a month but only got $67 a month after the iam pension pinched and taxed his pension. Its a ponzie scheme and thats all you need to know.

 

[Traymark]

The iam never puts out the plan documents. Out of 210,000 participants, only 80,000 are paying into it, and the funding lost another chunk this year according to my plan docs. Its actual funding is now back down to 94% although its most favorable funding math was pegged down to 101% now, a steep drop already from the 110% from the infusion of cuts off our backs.
Vesting is only after 5 years, so you better put in 5 years. If you want to protect your spouse if you die then you either have to claim the spousal offset which the iam pockets and whacks YOUR benefits up to another 40% or your wife or husband gets zero and as Willy Wonka said, "You get nothing..have a good day, SIR".

Never mind that you get YOUR pension suspended if you go back to work....and you must work at least 33 hrs a week or you get credit whackings. We had one retiree who thought he was goin to get $500 a month but only got $67 a month after the iam pension pinched and taxed his pension. Its a ponzie scheme and thats all you need to know.

 
 
 
Tim, this is all very educational.
Problem is, a number of folks won't know this stuff and listen to fluff from the union heads that its the best thing since sliced bread.
 
I believe the IAMPF actually needs its own thread because its that important, as in, we will be staring down the barrel of being forced into it if we vote for whatever TA they bring back to us.
 
It seems to me M&E are pretty well up to date on the scam that it is, but the Clerks are like, "no, its really great", so more of this info hopefully will enlighten more folks.

 

[swamt]

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

Guaranteed? Where did you get that?  Just look at the teamsters pension plans. They have been wacked 2 times with a 3rd attempt very recently denide by a Judge.  The pensions are and have been on their way out of the career fields of all employees eventually. The people that get out of them and turn to 401K's and other retirement options the more they will have to cut and cut and cut the pensions.  Most all teamster pension participants have had their retirements slashed in half and more, and they just recently went after all the "already retired" folks in the pension. Now some will be forced back to work and take big chance on losing the pension all together for returning to work.  You need to get better educated on all the pension troubles out there. Stop just listening to your IAM people running it, they will say anything to get the AA guys into it to try and save the pension. But even that will not work as too many other companies are bailing out of them as quick as possible. Just look at how many billions UPS paid to get all their employees out of the teamsters pensions.
 

Again we don't care for the IAM, the IAMPF, the Association and your continued cheerleading support that we do not want to hear about. We have more important issues to discuss that affects us the AMT'S and related that are currently on the payroll. We have our sources of communication that clearly shows we have no interest in the for mentioned groups. Why don't you go poll your IAM and IAMPF supporters. We don't have any worth mentioning.

So now that the summer season has begun does anyone feel it will be a long hot summer of negotiations for our group? The schedule shows meetings through the next 3 months or so but do we have any idea when they will sit down and talk about serious articles like compensation? The small stuff is taking too long and they are still disagreeing on articles. Exchanges in proposals and counter proposals is just dragging this out. Supposedly the chair in the negotiations will switch to the TWU. Maybe we will get out of first gear.

1AA, I agree with you that the small stuff is taking too long. With that in mind, do you really thing the big stuff will go faster? I don't think so.  I hate to say it, but I foresee you guys going into 2018 at least.  Maybe, just maybe when the TWU takes over in Aug they can speed things up for you guys.  Sad to report we are still in a 3 month delay of any mechanic nego's happening over here, glad to hear you guys have dates set thru the next 3 months.  Our leader has taken way too long for the 3 top union groups to get contracts and has destroyed the culture and moral from what it was when H. and C. were still here.  You guys were all right, it has turned into just another job to report to, so sad. Good luck to you guys, hoping you get everything back in this new contract...

 

[paul1]

why is the senoirity intergrattion a issue? I thought we had a mou on this issue back in 2013

 

[Buck]

why is the senoirity intergrattion a issue? I thought we had a mou on this issue back in 2013

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is an issue related to the amount of mechanics under the TWU vs IAM or LAA to LUS? with the TWU having more?
 
http://twu514.org/blog/2013/04/29/iam-twu-us-airways-american-airlines-agree-to-seniority-integration-april-27-2013/
 
 
Make sure you read the TRUMKA letter where the true purpose of the Association lies...

 

[conehead777]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is an issue related to the amount of mechanics under the TWU vs IAM or LAA to LUS? with the TWU having more?
 
http://twu514.org/blog/2013/04/29/iam-twu-us-airways-american-airlines-agree-to-seniority-integration-april-27-2013/
 
 
Make sure you read the TRUMKA letter where the true purpose of the Association lies...

yes trumka worrying about organizing the unorganized . Why isn't his main objective to take care of us the organized .ill tell you why they are already getting our dues money. Once they organize you they screw you .

 

[bigjets]

I'm really surprised that two big unions like the IAM and TWU, part of the AFL-CIO, cannot get AA from delaying our contract talks. I would think the AFL-CIO would want us to be the highest paid in order to say "Look union members are the highest paid" as opposed to what is happening now, non union mechs at delta being the highest paid legacy airline, IBT ups mechs being highest paid not AFL CIO, FedEx non union paid more then us, and SWA a non AFL CIO association being higher paid then us. All this at the largest most profitable airline.


Doesn't sound like a good selling point for attracting new membership, but the union will hold back 14% of your equity if they feel the need to. No voting required on things that directly affect you.

Remember AA pays us to work on aircraft. We pay the association to represent us. I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.

 

[Rogallo]

Remember AA pays us to work on aircraft. We pay the association to represent us. I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.

 
Never Have, Never Will

 

[bigjets]

Forgot about AA making the AA pilots and FAs the highest paid FA and pilots in the industry over a year ago. Neither one of those unions/associations are affiliated with the AFL CIO.

I asked a pilot how much of their equity the APA held on to. The pilot said none, he couldn't believe the TWU took 14% and didn't know we still don't have a contract. Then I mention the association, he actually felt sorry for us.

 

[DallasConehead]

Forgot about AA making the AA pilots and FAs the highest paid FA and pilots in the industry over a year ago. Neither one of those unions/associations are affiliated with the AFL CIO.

I asked a pilot how much of their equity the APA held on to. The pilot said none, he couldn't believe the TWU took 14% and didn't know we still don't have a contract. Then I mention the association, he actually felt sorry for us.

 
The aflcio does not care about you or any other member of any other union. Their goal is to collect your dues money and use for their own gains. So, while you sweat and toil your entire life, you pay them to go to party's and dine out with political types where their agenda is to get laws passed that benefit you. But, as we can see, this has not happened and the aflcio as done little to nothing to protect the unionized men and women at aa.
 
So, you are dreaming if you think any of these folks are going to come to anyone's rescue, in spite of the fact we all pay 2 hours of our pay/month for these folks to represent us, the facts are, our representatives have done very little to advance and improve the working lives of the men and women working at aa in the aircraft maintenance dept.

 

[DallasConehead]

As the dark clouds begin to form up, here we are standing around like a bunch of idiots while our foolish representatives make sure we have good bulletin boards and adequate uniforms.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/06/american-airlines-stock-drops-to-lowest-since-2014-after-bank-of-america-analyst-says-sell.html/
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2016/06/airlines-need-different-playbook-to-keep-up-profitability-report-says.html/
 
Meanwhile a good portion of the people believe the company and their propaganda, hello!!!  Smell the coffee, they have no intentions of giving us anything, they could have if they wanted to. I believe they intend to drag out negotiations so long that, the industry will be in a full fledged downturn, then they will cry poor, but, the good news is the bulletin boards and uniforms will be top notch.

 

[1AA]

Today's update. We are moving along.
Presented two proposals to the company and exchanged another.
Enjoy your summer fellow AMT'S.
This is what we deserve when we are all divided up in multiple groups represented by two different union cultures.

 

[bigjets]

Today's update. We are moving along.
Presented two proposals to the company and exchanged another.
Enjoy your summer fellow AMT'S.
This is what we deserve when we are all divided up in multiple groups represented by two different union cultures.

You make it sound like we have a choice. The AFL CIO hasn't done anything to separate AMTs from other work groups in our classification. The AFL CIO did spend $10m dollars going against a democratic senator who didn't vote the way they wanted her to. She won reelection.

We certainly didn't want this association. We didn't even get a chance to vote on it. I know I'm preaching to the choir.

 

[Kev3188]

Today's update. We are moving along.
Presented two proposals to the company and exchanged another.
Enjoy your summer fellow AMT'S.
This is what we deserve when we are all divided up in multiple groups represented by two different union cultures.

^This^


What we continue to allow will continue...

 

[DallasConehead]

Today's update. We are moving along.
Presented two proposals to the company and exchanged another.
Enjoy your summer fellow AMT'S.
This is what we deserve when we are all divided up in multiple groups represented by two different union cultures.

 
 
You see, this is the part I just can't understand. I thought, at the beginning of this dog and pony show the union presented the company with a full text agreement that they had spent all those months "reconciling". But then we keep hearing time and time again they presented proposals during the sessions. Was this a line of crap? Does anyone know or want to tell exactly what happened?