JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[swamt]

I hope everybody can still remember what has been lost over the years. 
This joint thing is just another way to side track what has been lost, given up and taken.
Since 03' we are $450,000 in the hole.

 
 

 
I don't dispute you and I know the total loss is in that neighborhood,  but am curious as to the metrics you used to get there.  You see, I used to have a good handle on it but am now beginning to lose count, so, could you help a brother out?

As I have always posted. It is time for you guys to be made "WHOLE" again from the 2003 concessions.  Now going on 14 years for you guys. Record profits, loads, revenue, it's time to get what you guys deserve and become "WHOLE" again. 
 
So have you guys heard that the TWU will take over contract talks starting in Aug?  Maybe then you guys will find out just what all the IAM was looking at to bring into or out of the new combined contract.  Good luck fellas...

 

[Tim Nelson]

That goes for me too. Now let's see if Peterson and company will do the right thing and get things moving and never ever mention the IAMPF to the TWU members. After being screwed by the infamous question #5 I kind of wonder if the Association will really follow their own rules and guidlines.

The iampf is a complete disaster. every 8 years if has to hose the members to keep it solvent. It created a b scale in 2003 for the unborn, then abolished the A scale in 20l11 (effective 20l4), and just using the current math, as represented on the annual funding statements, its going to have to do something again in 2019. Of course the problem is that out of over 200,000 participants, only 75,000 are paying into it. When it makes changes, the funding usually boost to around 110% and the I Am Management group claims its fully funded. The problem is that it lose 2% a year and is now down to 101% funded (as of 2015). Once if gets into the mid 90s it will boost the fund again. Guess who pays?

Defined benefit plans are a complete disaster and dinosaur. Nobody in their right mind would want to be in one.

 

[chilokie1]

The iampf is a complete disaster. every 8 years if has to hose the members to keep it solvent. It created a b scale in 2003 for the unborn, then abolished the A scale in 20l11 (effective 20l4), and just using the current math, as represented on the annual funding statements, its going to have to do something again in 2019. Of course the problem is that out of over 200,000 participants, only 75,000 are paying into it. When it makes changes, the funding usually boost to around 110% and the I Am Management group claims its fully funded. The problem is that it lose 2% a year and is now down to 101% funded (as of 2015). Once if gets into the mid 90s it will boost the fund again. Guess who pays?

Defined benefit plans are a complete disaster and dinosaur. Nobody in their right mind would want to be in one.

 
Thank you for helping keep the IAMPF subject in the crosshairs, if indeed the Association does monitor this
forum they need to understand that a vast majority of TWU members do not believe their best interests are
being represented. You can say it was question 5,  or could it be the fact that the TWU agreed to an equal share
of leadership when the IAM is one third of the Association?  The crazy thing is TWU members have been hammered 
over and over again in the last 15 years but we still feel we are better off with our frozen pension then the IAMPF.
 Sure most of us feel that way because basically most of us have 25 years or more credit in the AA plan, but we
also have done our homework and I do not want to run into an AA employee 20 years from now and find out his
retirement ability is worse because the Association used his retirement to temporality prop up the IAMPF. 
  The TWU was already in the doghouse of its members with the handling of the equity distribution and the lapdog
response to the pre funding ruling when we needed a pit bull response to AA when they are making billions
and they are fighting their employees for peanuts.
  The Association could make things a lot better by doing one simple thing, take the IAMPF off the table for LAA
employees!! The IAM employees will able to continue if they wish, but since we have two separate unions and the
IAMPF is a IAM entity let us keep it that way. If you are a TWU member and you want to join the IAMPF then you
need to join the IAM and have that ability contractually , and I as a TWU member should have the right to never have 
have my employee number on any potential IAMPF list. 
  We need to keep the pressure up on this subject because we have so many important issues that the joint contract
needs to address that we cannot afford to have slowed down because of pressure from "OUTSIDE FORCES" to get
the IAMPF involved in the process.  I hate sounding like a conspiracy theorist but when decisions are being made for
me behind closed doors without the chance to have my voice heard (through a simple vote) I tend to question them.
  It also gives me a serious case of the "RED ASS"

 

[AANOTOK]

"The TWU was already in the doghouse of its members with the handling of the equity distribution and the lapdog
response to the pre funding ruling when we needed a pit bull response to AA when they are making billions
and they are fighting their employees for peanuts."
 
Agree 1000%...and not only was it a lapdog response, militant Lombardo remains silent and sitting on his hands.
Jimmy Hoffa is doing more than Militant Lombardo, and he's stuck in concrete!

 

[Tim Nelson]

its not in your best interest...actually your worst. Vote out every moron who signs a ta that agrees to hammer you. Most iam members will stand down, even the iam called me to tell me not to disclose the truth. I have all paperwork if anyone needs. Im a iam member and im already hosed but that doesnt mean you should be.

 

[conehead777]

tim how many years have usair members been in the iampf. 

 

[700UW]

Maintenance has been in it since 2008.

Fleet has been in it much longer.

 

[Tim Nelson]

tim how many years have usair members been in the iampf.

unfortunately we have been in this awful anti worker ponzies scheme since 2003. As soon as 700 and other iam pollyannas said it was guaranteed, i knew it was a scam. They kept doin the math saying $81 a month but they whacked it in half later. And the math says it will have to get whacked in another few years.

 

[Buck]

Maintenance has been in it since 2008.

Fleet has been in it much longer.

Did Fleet need Maintenance to shore up the IAMPF?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Did Fleet need Maintenance to shore up the IAMPF?

as a local chairperson i was told to push our mx to bite on the iampf cuz otherwise more drastic cuts would have to happen to fleet. I was the only chairman to walk out. Now they told us to encourage the twu peeps to suckerbait them to shore up our pension to buy more time. Again, im not goin to hose peeps like that but thats why im the only committeeman who has educated twu peeps in the breakrooms about the new law to destroy union pensions (even though a judge just ruled against it), the spousal offset that whacks up to 50% of your accrued benefits (this is an outrage), latest figures which shows the slow death until a 3rd whacking happens.

 

[TRAVIS]

Ya'll let me know when we can get a new card drive.
Bye now ya'll should have figured it out that this ASS. is not going to work and all the IAM wants is to get the LAA in the IAMPF so it has a rope around there necks too.
Have a in lighted day.

 

[skydrol]

I have news for you, although dumping the association is a wonderful dream the cold reality is there is no way we will ever get rid of them. That train has left the station. If you did not notice we did not even get a say in the matter (first clue). With all the different scare tactics pitting all the different factions together any card drive will fail. Should of got the cards signed years ago, all that is left is alligator tears. Not trying to be a buzz kill just a realist.

 

[700UW]

as a local chairperson i was told to push our mx to bite on the iampf cuz otherwise more drastic cuts would have to happen to fleet.

BS you were a fleet chairperson, you and your district have NOTHING to do with mechanic and related issues.
 
And ORD was a very small maintenance station, I dont even know if PMUS staffs it anymore at all.

 

[1AA]

BS you were a fleet chairperson, you and your district have NOTHING to do with mechanic and related issues.
 
And ORD was a very small maintenance station, I dont even know if PMUS staffs it anymore at all.

And you have nothing to do with maintenance and related here as well. Unless someone bad mouths the IAM or the Loser IAMPF. Haven't you realized that none of the AA guys are interested in the IAMNPF and the Association?
STOP telling us how great it was or still is. We are just not interested anymore. I'm being nice here.

 

[700UW]

And you have nothing to do with maintenance and related here as well. Unless someone bad mouths the IAM or the Loser IAMPF. Haven't you realized that none of the AA guys are interested in the IAMNPF and the Association?
STOP telling us how great it was or still is. We are just not interested anymore. I'm being nice here.

Amazing you can fix airplanes but you cant comprehend the concept of a message board.
 
So when did you poll every single PMAA and PMUS mechanic and know what they want?
 
And when did they choose you to speak for all of them?