JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[1AA]

If you guys ever want me to leave you alone with your business then you need to start being truthful. Just like you went through my negotiating sessions were done with a Bankruptcy gun held to my head. All 3 Unions who you either love or hate went through it as well. IAM, TWU and yes AMFA. Southwest (an airline) has never gone through BK so NONE of those Unions have ever had that gun held to their heads.
Until you guys can admit to that and say it, it looks like you're going to be stuck with me coming around to remind you.

Please do not remind us of anything. We do not have to admit to anything coming from you. We are currently affected by the way the association and company are treating us.

 

[conehead777]

I believe amfa is past their amendable date. We have contracts on both sides. So why bother to rush a JCBA? The company is rearranging it's operations and it involves moving work around. They have until 2018 to get it done. Until then we are all under the impression of urgency to get a JCBA. If we get one that's great but as you all can read the updates and see the pace of things can you argue my point on time frame?

there are past there date. But 700 keeps harking on there when his words not mind. I was on the nc. And you see what he came up as nc. Low paying conseions my point to 700 was , AMFA is not caveing in. Like 700 did when he was on the nc,. 700 will the contracts you NC were filled with job loss and conseions. To me you have no room to talk about someone's contracts. Including our. Your not a employee. Of these talks. So stay out of our negotiations and swa also. . Your in the cooking business now but all your energy on that and we will get our on deal done without you

 

[Tim Nelson]

there are past there date. But 700 keeps harking on there when his words not mind. I was on the nc. And you see what he came up as nc. Low paying conseions my point to 700 was , AMFA is not caveing in. Like 700 did when he was on the nc,. 700 will the contracts you NC were filled with job loss and conseions. To me you have no room to talk about someone's contracts. Including our. Your not a employee. Of these talks. So stay out of our negotiations and swa also. . Your in the cooking business now but all your energy on that and we will get our on deal done without you

700 and his negotiation team is still known as a complete disaster. It was a relief when 700 finally departed. He must feel some guilt because his denial is substantial and he lives every day of his life on this forum as he sees ghosts. He should have just learned from his errors and moved on but he just hasnt dealt with the job loss under his watch.

 

[swamt]

Wrong again, we never reached an agreement, our CBA was abrogated.

We could never agree to the elimination of 46% of the workforce and the pension termination.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 
 

If you guys ever want me to leave you alone with your business then you need to start being truthful. Just like you went through my negotiating sessions were done with a Bankruptcy gun held to my head. All 3 Unions who you either love or hate went through it as well. IAM, TWU and yes AMFA. Southwest (an airline) has never gone through BK so NONE of those Unions have ever had that gun held to their heads.

Until you guys can admit to that and say it, it looks like you're going to be stuck with me coming around to remind you.

 
 

Do you know how to comprehend the truth?

We had our CBA abrogated, that means our CBA was thrown out by the bankruptcy judge as we could never reached a TA as they wanted to layoff 46% of the maintenance workforce and the pension bring terminated.

You know the same thing NW wanted from AMFA.

 
 

there are past there date. But 700 keeps harking on there when his words not mind. I was on the nc. And you see what he came up as nc. Low paying conseions my point to 700 was , AMFA is not caveing in. Like 700 did when he was on the nc,. 700 will the contracts you NC were filled with job loss and conseions. To me you have no room to talk about someone's contracts. Including our. Your not a employee. Of these talks. So stay out of our negotiations and swa also. . Your in the cooking business now but all your energy on that and we will get our on deal done without you

 
 

700 and his negotiation team is still known as a complete disaster. It was a relief when 700 finally departed. He must feel some guilt because his denial is substantial and he lives every day of his life on this forum as he sees ghosts. He should have just learned from his errors and moved on but he just hasnt dealt with the job loss under his watch.

AMFA's situation at NWA was worse than the one at US air.  At least with AMFA at NWA they fully admitted to screwing up on what was their fault.  It was very obvious that NWA wanted the mechanics to strike, why else would you threaten over 53% of the work force with their jobs?  Very simple, in order to get a NO and a STRIKE vote.  Stop bashing AMFA at my carrier, you seem to never post the great advancement AMFA is making (pre-contract amendable date) over at Alaska.  Enough is enough, every time you TRY to make AMFA look bad you end up making yourself look bad.  Like conehead has stated above; at least AMFA is not caving in like I have seen at other industrial unions with or without BK guns pointed at them.  
Now, let us ALL, stop the union bashing, band together, and spread the positives news back and forth and share with one another what each groups are doing and where they are in nego's.  Since the Pilots reached out to us (finally) we now get treated with a lot more respect than before we teamed up as well as our F/A's too.  The solidarity unity coming together at SWA is a fantastic thing, and I would recommend all the airlines do it.  
I honestly think UAL will come to a contract first as they have already had hard numbers and the co. offer to vote on. A simple tweak here and there and maybe they will be first.  Then I am guessing UPS will get done and maybe even before UAL.  SWA and AA will finish up close together but it is a toss up for who will finish before the other.  I do know we will not have anything this year as I have said for a very long time now.  I honestly do not expect anything in the form of a new contract until Aug of 17 which would put us right at that infamous statement by the co they they want a 5 year pay freeze to focus on the investors.  Good luck to all on a great contract, now is the time frame to get it.  Now is the time to band together and support ALL of our mechanic groups at ALL airlines no matter what union is representing them, especially when some airlines didn't even have a choice who represents them. It is what it is and I say make the best of it at this all important time frame for our profession.  Now let's step it up and get the best contracts possible. Remember it takes 2 things to get an aircraft off the ground, a pilot and an airworthy cert.. We are more important than most out here think, just as important as pilots when it comes to cert a/c for flight, b/c with out that the pilot can't even take off...

 

[AANOTOK]

Just throwing that out there.
 
 https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/19/report-private-pension-plans-in-danger-of-insolvency/

 

[Flying low]

We had our CBA abrogated, that means our CBA was thrown out by the bankruptcy judge as we could never reached a TA as they wanted to layoff 46% of the maintenance workforce and the pension bring terminated.

We all have heard this broken record over and over again. How many more times will we have to here it? The past is the past, keep it in the past.

 

[1AA]

As many times as conehead and Tim post lies and misinformation.
Since the past is the past, none of you should complain about the TWU.

It's not just the TWU we are complaining about. It's the IAM and the Association as well. I'll add the pyramid scam IAMPF to the list.

 

[conehead777]

As many times as conehead and Tim post lies and misinformation.

Since the past is the past, none of you should complain about the TWU.

 
how many times have you posted lies every time you type are open your mouth. all you can do is post hate you can't prove me wrong. the truth is iam boeing negouitated away the workers pension Boeing  was not in bk. thats a truth another truth. the workers voted no on it and the intl wanted another vote and it passed. another truth is aa mechanics are the lowest paid of the majors. southwest AMFA United teamsters and Delta non union all are over 10 dolors a hour more then aa mechanics. plus have better benefits. lets see the iam even after the merger the best they could do is get us air mechanics up to aa mechanics pay. i pay union dues to the twu they have not delivered were the lowest paid mechanics so if i want to complain ill complain. you are not a mechanic you do not work for aa so butt the heck out of our buisness .

 

[Buck]

Do you know how to comprehend the truth?

We had our CBA abrogated, that means our CBA was thrown out by the bankruptcy judge as we could never reached a TA as they wanted to layoff 46% of the maintenance workforce and the pension bring terminated.

You know the same thing NW wanted from AMFA.

Is the Conehead correct? When your contract was abrogated, was the compensation proposal the lowest in the industry at the time?

 

[700UW]

No we were not the lowest paid and we had the best scope, no airframes outsourced and very limited components outsourced.

 

[AP Tech]

May not have been quite the lowest at the time, but the IAM did come up with the industry leading "Retro Giveback" program....really doubt that program will ever be topped....talk to other union friends and they cannot believe that one to be true!!

 

[700UW]

That was the company, not the IAM.

And your brothers and sister voted for the CBA, the second time.

 

[conehead777]

That was the company, not the IAM.
And your brothers and sister voted for the CBA, the second time.

prove it show facts

 

[700UW]

You refute it, I lived it, did you?

 

[AP Tech]

I lived it.....we were confused, second vote, ect,ect..Total BS.  Just for once I would liked to have the IAM stand their ground...Retro Givebacks???  C'mon now, sometime they have to grow a set of B**ls and just say NO!!  I'll Ask Management is not to far off track...