JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Deleted member 14439]

Amazing you can fix airplanes but you cant comprehend the concept of a message board.
 
So when did you poll every single PMAA and PMUS mechanic and know what they want?
 
And when did they choose you to speak for all of them?

1AA is right. No AMT I have spoken with wants any part of the scam iamnpf.

 

[Other People]

as a local chairperson i was told to push our mx to bite on the iampf cuz otherwise more drastic cuts would have to happen to fleet. I was the only chairman to walk out. Now they told us to encourage the twu peeps to suckerbait them to shore up our pension to buy more time. Again, im not goin to hose peeps like that but thats why im the only committeeman who has educated twu peeps in the breakrooms about the new law to destroy union pensions (even though a judge just ruled against it), the spousal offset that whacks up to 50% of your accrued benefits (this is an outrage), latest figures which shows the slow death until a 3rd whacking happens.

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

 

[conehead777]

Amazing you can fix airplanes but you cant comprehend the concept of a message board.
 
So when did you poll every single PMAA and PMUS mechanic and know what they want?
 
And when did they choose you to speak for all of them?

same question to you . When did you conduct a poll on the iampf and members wanting. The association. That you spew so much about. You are not out there . And on the aa side except for the twu/iam kool-aid drinkers. They do not want the iampf are the association. And that's talking to the guys at work. Since your no longer envolved out there. And Tim he speaks the truth. You speak thru iam iampf jaded glasses . And Tim speaks of truth. I see you are the only one putting him down. I know why you can't Handel the truth.

 

[700UW]

Tim speaks the truth?
 
He isnt maintenance, he isnt a rep for fleet either.
 
Your own statement shows you have no clue.
 
Go ask the PMUS fleet guys about Tim, he has ran for office at the district for over 20 years and has lost EVERY single time.
 
He has started his own union numerous times to raid Fleet at US and he tried at AA also.
 
Yep your out on medical and you know what every single mechanic and related wants.
 
And if you knew anything Tim has spread numerous lies and misinformation about me, others and union matters.
 
Get a clue.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56150-why-tim-nelson-is-dangerous-to-iam-represented-employees-at-united-airlines/
 
Since you been out on medical, take the time and take remedial English.

 

[1AA]

Again we don't care for the IAM, the IAMPF, the Association and your continued cheerleading support that we do not want to hear about. We have more important issues to discuss that affects us the AMT'S and related that are currently on the payroll. We have our sources of communication that clearly shows we have no interest in the for mentioned groups. Why don't you go poll your IAM and IAMPF supporters. We don't have any worth mentioning.

So now that the summer season has begun does anyone feel it will be a long hot summer of negotiations for our group? The schedule shows meetings through the next 3 months or so but do we have any idea when they will sit down and talk about serious articles like compensation? The small stuff is taking too long and they are still disagreeing on articles. Exchanges in proposals and counter proposals is just dragging this out. Supposedly the chair in the negotiations will switch to the TWU. Maybe we will get out of first gear.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The way I see it going, if we are not voting by Halloween. We are done for the year. You can bet there will not be any negotiations during the holiday season. That puts us in the Spring of 2017. I hope I'm wrong and we are voting in September, but I doubt it.

 

[Traymark]

The way I see it going, if we are not voting by Halloween. We are done for the year. You can bet there will not be any negotiations during the holiday season. That puts us in the Spring of 2017. I hope I'm wrong and we are voting in September, but I doubt it.

 
 
 
You're not wrong. 
Ask yourself, what motivation is there for the Association to get a TA that will then start the 2 year clock that they can be voted out?
 
I've seen 4 year negotiations before and that is what this smells like right now.
 
Fleet might be down with the Ass, but M&E is far from down with the Ass, and everyone at the top of both unions knows this.

 

[chilokie1]

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

 
And we can stand with our TWU union brothers and support them by telling the ASS to keep
your hands out of our pockets to prop up the IAMPF.

 

[Buck]

Amazing you can fix airplanes but you cant comprehend the concept of a message board.
 
So when did you poll every single PMAA and PMUS mechanic and know what they want?
 
And when did they choose you to speak for all of them?

You still have not explained how the IAMPF is good for the LAA Mechanic and Related. 
 
Please show how someone that is 50 years old and above can put enough money into the IAMPF and have enough growth to make it worth something.
 
As I have said you have not explain how Credit Suisse in 2012 has rated the multi-employer pensions, including  I.A.M. National Pension Plan, which was funded at  Actuarial
Value of 108.0% and  a Fair Value funded at 57.5%?

 

[Kev3188]

I have news for you, although dumping the association is a wonderful dream the cold reality is there is no way we will ever get rid of them. That train has left the station. If you did not notice we did not even get a say in the matter (first clue). With all the different scare tactics pitting all the different factions together any card drive will fail. Should of got the cards signed years ago, all that is left is alligator tears. Not trying to be a buzz kill just a realist.

As long as you think that way, you're right...

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Word is the company has proposed a one station agreement between DFW/DWH. If true that would lead me to believe the junority language will remain in place. Thoughts?

 

[Real tired]

The iampf is a complete disaster. every 8 years if has to hose the members to keep it solvent. It created a b scale in 2003 for the unborn, then abolished the A scale in 20l11 (effective 20l4), and just using the current math, as represented on the annual funding statements, its going to have to do something again in 2019. Of course the problem is that out of over 200,000 participants, only 75,000 are paying into it. When it makes changes, the funding usually boost to around 110% and the I Am Management group claims its fully funded. The problem is that it lose 2% a year and is now down to 101% funded (as of 2015). Once if gets into the mid 90s it will boost the fund again. Guess who pays?

Defined benefit plans are a complete disaster and dinosaur. Nobody in their right mind would want to be in one.

 
This. ^^^^^
 
Post this on the new bulletin boards.

 

[Real tired]

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

 
Are you nuts?  Are you a complete moron?
 
Who's proud of it?  No one I know in Maintenance.  And especially no one in Fleet, who have had their benefits cut by 40%.
 
"Fully Guaranteed" ?  By who?  Lloyds of London?
 
In case you didn't read the latest, Mr. I'm afraid my benefits will be cut too, the PBGC only "guarantees" the pension to 35 cents on the dollar.  For now.
 
And in the future, if the IAMNPF enters the endangered funding status, and it will, the first order of business is to cut benefits before combining the fund with another underperforming fund.  Long before it will ever be able to be "guaranteed" by the PBGC.
 
You AA people better start listening to my Fleet brother Mr. Nelson, and ignore this loser.

 

[Buck]

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

Please show how someone that is 50 years old and above can put enough money into the IAMPF and have enough growth to make it worth something. Are you aware that there is a difference between the Actual Value and the Fair Value ?
 
Could you explain how Credit Suisse in 2012 has rated the multi-employer pensions, including  I.A.M. National Pension Plan, which was funded at  Actuarial
Value of 108.0% and  a Fair Value funded at 57.5%?

 

[conehead777]

Tim, you should leave maintenance issues alone and focus on your own contract. The IAM pension is fully guaranteed by the way and something we can all be proud of. It also benefits you if you support our brothers and sisters in different classes to join the IAMPF.

leave Tim alone he makes perfect sense. I'm glad he has posted here. To let us aa members know the truth. I believe Tim and real tired. And not you the reason there's more people on here who are in it who. Speak out against it. I do not want a union must less a union giving up major connsesions controlling my retirement money