JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[bigjets]

I hear a lot of guys saying that AA wants to do away with CSing. When in actuality they are complaining about the CS policy not being the way they want it. I've talked with LUS mechs and they're happy with their CS policy thats in their contract. One day I complained to our local treasurer before the TWU closed mechs locals. I said, you should get the bigger calendars, he said the other guys said I should get these calendars. Point is there are a lot of mechs with different opinions, and when you say something as broad as, aa wants to eliminate CSing, all you're doing is creating heart burn for people that don't know you're full of poo, and only have your self interest at heart.

 

[AANOTOK]

You hear "a lot of guys". How many would that be. There are a bit more Fleet and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say AA wants to do away with CSing. I have heard numerous folks say they want to go the route of LUS and make it contractual and use their blue print with a enhancement or two. If you read the agents agreement, I don't think it it's that bad.

 

[Living in Reality]

Since we know the Negotiators read this forum here are two points I want you to know, if we go with contractural CSing, it should be by mini-agreement at every location. The broad sword of an item like this needs finer points to each place it is used, what works at DFW will not be beneficial to those in TUL or DWH!
Speaking of DWH, It needs to remain as a Maintenance Base, end of story, if you want line pay, go to a line station! But not just that, quit giving in to every thing the company bends you on. They have been getting their way by bending the rules far too long!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Allow me to counter the above poster. DWH is a line Hangar period. The work and schedules are predominantly more line than overhaul. As long as we are working OTS and RON aircraft, we should be no different than the hangars across the field. As long as we are working the same schedules, we should be compensated the same as our coworkers across the field. That being said, I believe it is a moot point. In that, I believe LUS AMTS are compensated the same regardless of base vs line designation. My hope is DWH would be incorporated with DFW hangars. The language is already in the LAA CBA. To a bigger point, the above posters comments only serve to further divide an already fractured workforce.

 

[1AA]

So should I add this to the list?
DFW line vs DWH line.
I must have missed this one.

AA vs USAIR 
TWU vs IAM 
AA overhaul vs AA line
AA line vs USAIR line
TWU overhaul vs IAM overhaul
USAIR line vs USAIR overhaul 
The company vs the Association 
The International vs the TWU membership 
The International vs the IAM membership

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Yep, sadly some love driving a wedge wherever possible.

 

[Buck]

If DWH is a Line Station as you say, then if DWH gets behind then will you defer the work to TULE?

 

[Buck]

Can anyone confirm the parameters of the T/A'd Sick Policy?
 
10 Sick days a year and 20 ID days?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

If DWH is a Line Station as you say, then if DWH gets behind then will you defer the work to TULE?

DWH does the same work as any line Hangar. I have not seen overhaul work since AFW was closed. We have no say where work is sent. If the company wants to send work to tule. Then they will. I'm not sure what you mean by DWH getting behind.

 

[Buck]

DWH does the same work as any line Hangar. I have not seen overhaul work since AFW was closed. We have no say where work is sent. If the company wants to send work to tule. Then they will. I'm not sure what you mean by DWH getting behind.

If DWH is not meeting the schedule set by the management team, just like the schedule here at TULE.
 
My reference to the line deferring any work to TULE, is not to belittle the Lines Stations abilities, but to say they haven't the time to finish and the aircraft maintain per the MEL.
 
I have not worked the Line so feel free to correct any of my assumptions. When a C-Check comes to TULE, under a FMR that is added to the BOW it may have come from a deferral ?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Yep, sadly some love driving a wedge wherever possible.

He does make the point that the overhaul bases are different than the line and what works for the line for C/S doesn't necessarily work for O/H.  It's hard to trade days with someone when everyone has the same days off in some places.  Also hard to change shifts when some places have just one shift.  But we have hashed this out before.  Where I work we have one shift and everyone has the same days off so there is no C/S allowed nor is there any changes allowed to the work schedule.  Other places they have 4/10 schedules with midnights being on 5/8s so they have no opportunity to C/S either.  One size fits all doesn't work and we should not allow the company (or our own members) pretend it does.  This is just one of many issues we are going to have to deal with.

 

[Buck]

The policies of C/S and even Vacation selection should be different between the Line and Maintenance base(s). In fact there should be some consideration at the maintenance base(s) from the Generals and Avionics. To hold the Line or the Base to a common contractual policy makes no sense.

 

[700UW]

At US it's contractual and the same for all of maintenance and there is no issue.

 

[bigjets]

The policies of C/S and even Vacation selection should be different between the Line and Maintenance base(s). In fact there should be some consideration at the maintenance base(s) from the Generals and Avionics. To hold the Line or the Base to a common contractual policy makes no sense.

 
 
I have been saying for years, there should be a separate contracts for line and OH. They're two different jobs. 

 

[767 mechanic]

If DWH is a Line Station as you say, then if DWH gets behind then will you defer the work to TULE?

 
At DWH it is a maintenance base in name only. There is drop in work on a daily bases. Nothing we do resembles overhaul.