JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Buck]

When is the new AMFA card drive starting.

When you start it?

 

[Buck]

Back to the TA'd Articles in Negotiations.
 
The TWU Local 591 the Line station local has an Association update dated 5-27-16.
 
Sick Leave is a "TA'd article, does anyone know the parameters of this article?

 

[Flying low]

Back to the TA'd Articles in Negotiations.
 
The TWU Local 591 the Line station local has an Association update dated 5-27-16.
 
Sick Leave is a "TA'd article, does anyone know the parameters of this article?

No one will know what's in the TA until we vote on it.....

 

[Buck]

No one will know what's in the TA until we vote on it.....

Or until your Representative through the Bylaws and TWU / IAM ( AFL-CIO ) Constitution, determines the vote ( to protect the IAMPF )

 

[MetalMover]

That's the million dollar question. When we all wake up and realize we are screwed. After running through the AMT day photos and comments on jetnet you can see we are still divided. Majority of the comments express similar to what we all talk about here. The concern was looking at photos of the celebrations in ORD, Tulsa, STL, San Juan, PHX, and others stuffing their faces and appear to be enjoying the moment.
Until all stations are finally fed up including the USAIR stations a card drive will be a big waste of time.

The only time they will get fed up is on AMT Day scarfing down burgers and franks.

 

[Real tired]

Another holiday lost, 13 years now. I'm sure the IAM side of the house enjoyed their 2.5x Holiday pay. Thx again TWU.Im sure our "representatives" enjoyed a well deserved day off.

 
Not really.
 
If you are off on the holiday, you get paid for the day.  If you're scheduled to work, you get your 8 hours plus 8 hours holiday pay, which would really be 2x pay.
 
But, if you are scheduled to work, you can opt to "comp" the day.  That means, you'll be paid your 8 hours only, but you can choose to take a paid day off in the future.  The trouble with that is, invariably, when you want to "comp" a day, and get your extra paid day off, someone else will be off, or too many will be off on vacation, and the company will deny your request for the day off.
 
The company rarely calls overtime anymore on the holidays, due to cut flight schedules, so the big pay days are gone.
 
Here in PIT, in the old days, it wasn't uncommon to see people on many days of triple time (3x) during the holidays, and sometimes guys would "get on the train" and work triple time (3x) into a paid rest where the company would pay you to go home and sleep.
 
Oh, the good old days.........
 
In the good old days, I remember, on your birthday, the shop steward would manipulate the overtime list so you would be assured of being called for overtime for your birthday, and then be paid your triple time (3x) for that shift, plus your 8 hours straight time, plus your birthday pay.
 
But, the good old days are gone.  We yes voted all that away.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Not really.
 
If you are off on the holiday, you get paid for the day.  If you're scheduled to work, you get your 8 hours plus 8 hours holiday pay, which would really be 2x pay.
 
But, if you are scheduled to work, you can opt to "comp" the day.  That means, you'll be paid your 8 hours only, but you can choose to take a paid day off in the future.  The trouble with that is, invariably, when you want to "comp" a day, and get your extra paid day off, someone else will be off, or too many will be off on vacation, and the company will deny your request for the day off.
 
The company rarely calls overtime anymore on the holidays, due to cut flight schedules, so the big pay days are gone.
 
Here in PIT, in the old days, it wasn't uncommon to see people on many days of triple time (3x) during the holidays, and sometimes guys would "get on the train" and work triple time (3x) into a paid rest where the company would pay you to go home and sleep.
 
Oh, the good old days.........
 
In the good old days, I remember, on your birthday, the shop steward would manipulate the overtime list so you would be assured of being called for overtime for your birthday, and then be paid your triple time (3x) for that shift, plus your 8 hours straight time, plus your birthday pay.
 
But, the good old days are gone.  We yes voted all that away.

I stand corrected. LAA we have never had to worry about such complexities. Hopefully we will see our holidays returned to us and the compensation that goes with it. That is if and when we get a JCBA.Thx for the info.

 

[1AA]

My prediction is a JCBA just before September 12th 2018. Then they will have to face the possibility of retro pay and mediation.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I'm thinking Spring 2017 for a JCBA.

 

[Real tired]

My prediction is a JCBA just before September 12th 2018. Then they will have to face the possibility of retro pay and mediation.

 
Our contract says (paraphrasing):
 
If by Sept. 12 2017, we don't ratify a new JCBA with the "New American Airlines", we get a 1.5% pay increase, and it extends the contract amendable date 1 year to Sept. 12 2018.
 
I don't see 1.5% as a huge deal breaker and they could drag this thing out for some time.  And if history serves, they most probably will.  Every extra day it takes, they save big money, and we lose big money.

 

[bigjets]

Not really.
 
If you are off on the holiday, you get paid for the day.  If you're scheduled to work, you get your 8 hours plus 8 hours holiday pay, which would really be 2x pay.
 
But, if you are scheduled to work, you can opt to "comp" the day.  That means, you'll be paid your 8 hours only, but you can choose to take a paid day off in the future.  The trouble with that is, invariably, when you want to "comp" a day, and get your extra paid day off, someone else will be off, or too many will be off on vacation, and the company will deny your request for the day off.
 
The company rarely calls overtime anymore on the holidays, due to cut flight schedules, so the big pay days are gone.
 
Here in PIT, in the old days, it wasn't uncommon to see people on many days of triple time (3x) during the holidays, and sometimes guys would "get on the train" and work triple time (3x) into a paid rest where the company would pay you to go home and sleep.
 
Oh, the good old days.........
 
In the good old days, I remember, on your birthday, the shop steward would manipulate the overtime list so you would be assured of being called for overtime for your birthday, and then be paid your triple time (3x) for that shift, plus your 8 hours straight time, plus your birthday pay.
 
But, the good old days are gone.  We yes voted all that away.

Our senior guys voted in 2003 and 2012 contracts, took the early outs ($40k) and left the company and us with this contract. I love the D2R.

Funny the same guys that voted in B scale, but they got their pay raise, also voted in the 2012 contract, got their pay out and left us with this current contract. A contract so bad there is nothing the IAM wants from it.

 

[DallasConehead]

Our senior guys voted in 2003 and 2012 contracts, took the early outs ($40k) and left the company and us with this contract. I love the D2R.

Funny the same guys that voted in B scale, but they got their pay raise, also voted in the 2012 contract, got their pay out and left us with this current contract. A contract so bad there is nothing the IAM wants from it.

That's how they do it, pit one faction against another and then get the agreement to pass by a minuscule amount of votes. Been that way for 30+ years.
 
It will be different with this agreement if it ever gets completely negotiated, the people will be so fatigued of waiting for a completed jcba, it will be a landslide yes vote. I'm guessing that must be iam strategy for getting agreements passed.

 

[BeechDriver]

A long time ago (1984) an old timer told me the way the airline operates is to shove a baseball bat up everyone's posterior all the way up to the knob. Of course everyone is unhappy because of the extreme discomfort. Then the company pulls the bat out about halfway and everyone is happy and walking around with a baseball bat shoved halfway up their ass. It's time to wake up. I will vote against any contact that forces anyone to join the IAMNPF or buys yes votes with retirement bonuses.

 

[Real tired]

A long time ago (1984) an old timer told me the way the airline operates is to shove a baseball bat up everyone's posterior all the way up to the knob. Of course everyone is unhappy because of the extreme discomfort. Then the company pulls the bat out about halfway and everyone is happy and walking around with a baseball bat shoved halfway up their ass. It's time to wake up. I will vote against any contact that forces anyone to join the IAMNPF or buys yes votes with retirement bonuses.

 
.....And the more you take that baseball bat, the less it really hurts.  And pretty soon, half way ain't so bad.
 
Then comes the next time the company rams it in only half way and you'll say, "hey, that was nice of them."  "Only half way".  "That wasn't so bad, I can take that."
 
Hense, the beginnings of the Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[trentrb211]

Those last 2 posts could not be any truer