JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[DallasConehead]

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[WeAAsles]

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Thank you. So right now on BASE pay UAL IBT only matched you. Yes in other areas UAL and DAL overall total value compensation is better than what you are getting.

BUT you don't have your JCBA yet and I expect/hope that it will have at least a modest increase over both of them with/hopefully retaining more overall work.

 

[WeAAsles]

Like I was also saying in the Fleet thread I think we made a mistake clamoring for the PS as these higher wages we're all getting are chipping away at those profits. If fuel rises the entire kitty could be wiped out?

We should have stuck with the 7% above line and not essentially traded away some of our wages for that once a year Vegas check.

7% above that chart you gave me would have put you at $50.63 which you could have maximized on extra hours, 401k contributions and yearly percentage increases.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

How much do you expect to earn this year?

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/installatio...onics-equipment-mechanics-and-technicians.htm

Easy there Weez. Do you really want to pick that fight? What is the national median wage for loading bags? It goes both ways.

 

[WeAAsles]

Easy there Weez. Do you really want to pick that fight? What is the national median wage for loading bags? It goes both ways.

No fight at all. Baggage handlers in all industries in the US according to BLS make about $24.000 per year. It's not separated out that I've seen for just Airlines but I can't guess it would be more than $30,000 max?

I don't live in a glass house dvlhog.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW on April 1 DAL is going up to $48,92 per hour.

3% above that is $50,38

That 7% (If we hadn't wanted the PS) would have been $52,35 per hour.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-air-lines-just-gave-172819811.html

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I looked at total cost for wages between all the Airlines and AA came in second. Average benefits at AA were $10,000.

As an "individual" maybe you are shortchanged to the people you "chose" to compare yourself too?

You can figure that out for yourself.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html

In my humble opinion Vortilion proved his point while you are pointing at numbers that just don't exist. AA AMTs have by far the worst benefits package of any major airline. That is what we compare to is major airlines not puddle jumpers like the TWU compares us to. Quit while you are behind. And you keep bringing up that we should pay for jobs when our FAs have more per flight than other airlines but you don't see them paying for jobs do you? Just stop trying to stir up the crap. If you can't be constructive then stay away. We don't need to fight the company, TWU, the association and you too. Give it a rest already.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

BTW on April 1 DAL is going up to $48,92 per hour.

3% above that is $50,38

That 7% (If we hadn't wanted the PS) would have been $52,35 per hour.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-air-lines-just-gave-172819811.html

Yep, I have already done the math. Let's see if DP holds true to his word. I'm not hopeful.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

No fight at all. Baggage handlers in all industries in the US according to BLS make about $24.000 per year. It's not separated out that I've seen for just Airlines but I can't guess it would be more than $30,000 max?



I don't live in a glass house dvlhog.

I found this in a quick Google search.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes531011.htm

 

[WeAAsles]

In my humble opinion Vortilion proved his point while you are pointing at numbers that just don't exist. AA AMTs have by far the worst benefits package of any major airline. That is what we compare to is major airlines not puddle jumpers like the TWU compares us to. Quit while you are behind. And you keep bringing up that we should pay for jobs when our FAs have more per flight than other airlines but you don't see them paying for jobs do you? Just stop trying to stir up the crap. If you can't be constructive then stay away. We don't need to fight the company, TWU, the association and you too. Give it a rest already.

Old Guy when this is all over I hope you're going to figure out that I have ALWAYS been on your side?

I have NEVER NEVER NEVER said that you should pay for jobs. Pointing out something that exists or existed doesn't mean that I necessarily agree or disagree with it.

It's just pointing out the facts in a time when people don't want to care about that sort of thing anymore.

 

[WeAAsles]

I found this in a quick Google search.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes531011.htm

That one is for Supervisors. According to that report they have over 6000 Supervisors in the US and their median wage is $10.00 less than what I make now.

I should be making more than the "Watchers" just like you guys should too.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yep, I have already done the math. Let's see if DP holds true to his word. I'm not hopeful.

If he wants any JCBA to pass he will. And if Peterson doesn't agree with anything coming your way I'm sure he won't try to sell it to you.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

If he wants any JCBA to pass he will. And if Peterson doesn't agree with anything coming your way I'm sure he won't try to sell it to you.

Time will tell I guess. So far the company negotiators actions at the table. Do not jive with Parkers public statements.

 

[WeAAsles]

Time will tell I guess. So far the company negotiators actions at the table. Do not jive with Parkers public statements.

When this is over I think I'm going to close out with 65k per year base and you're going to close out with 105k base.

Speaking for myself appreciated, and for you guys well earned and deserved.

I also think with Harry and Sito joining in this is probably getting close to the finish line?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

When this is over I think I'm going to close out with 65k per year base and you're going to close out with 105k base.

Speaking for myself appreciated, and for you guys well earned and deserved.

I also think with Harry and Sito joining in this is probably getting close to the finish line?

I certainly hope you are right!