Heard this today. Need more information on it but at face value I would say if the cleaners and washers carry their seniority into Title 2 then that screws Plant Maint. people. If they don't bring their seniority then that screws the cleaners and parts washers. I have never thought they should have been in Title 1 in the first place but that is the way we did it for many years. This whole thing just opens a can of worms. The cleaners and washers have high seniority and many in Plant Maintenance do not. Need more info.
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So when will people come to realize that the only solution to seniority is DOH.
Why should someone be penalized by going to the bottom of a seniority list when they have a desire to change jobs within the company? It does no make any sense!
I was hired first at the company so therefore I have more seniority. Done, end of story. It's simple!
Who came up with this "occupational", now "date in classification" seniority BS anyway?
JMHO!
Why should someone be penalized by going to the bottom of a seniority list when they have a desire to change jobs within the company? It does no make any sense!
I was hired first at the company so therefore I have more seniority. Done, end of story. It's simple!
Who came up with this "occupational", now "date in classification" seniority BS anyway?
JMHO!
If someone decides to upgrade to AMT on their own dime after several years I am proud of them. But they have no business outbidding experienced AMTs for Crew Chief and inspector jobs. In your world a twenty year stock clerk who was handed an A&P license for free from a BS program like the old Junior Mechanic Program should be able to outbid a nineteen year AMT for shifts, and/or CC and Insp jobs. They would pick their vacation per their DOH and I think that is more than fair. I don't care how long you have been in the airline. Experience in your job does and should determine who gets CC and Insp and shift bids. End of story.
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This is what I agree with also. I think it should be DOH in each classification. Your first day on the job in that job description is your seniority date.
That being said, could someone explain to me how the Cleaners and Utility are classified as "Title I". I thought that only includes the AMT's. I fully do not understand the Title groups that LAA uses.
If they're qualified and capable to do the job....Yes! I've seen quite a few AMT's that have upgraded through the SRP program who are a lot smarter than 30 year AMT's. I've also seen quite a few experienced, as you put it, crew chiefs who have no business being a crew chief. Or Inspector for that matter. The company and union fail miserably in the "professional standards" program!
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Funny, I've seen SRPs and people who got their A&P from the Junior Mechanic Program I wouldn't let work on my twenty year old truck. I have seen good crew chiefs and I have seen bad ones too but now at AA management decides who gets crew chief bids so they get the brown nosers. Maybe those are some of the guys you know? I also know that when AA invented the SRP, much to the delight of the TWU, they hired management's family, friends, Credit Union people, staff assistants and women from the typing pool. Oh yeah... Every single security guard became an SRP too. Lots of experience waving cars through the gate. Many long time SRPs are these people. We had a staff assistant on the dock I was on and she became an SRP too. She had never been even remotely connected to aviation before becoming a staff assistant but somehow got an SRP job. Of course she was in the first wave of SRP hires Had another one on my dock that was upgraded after going to VoTech (She had been at the Triad building for a few years) and she asked me one day to show her how to bend a cotter pin. Also a few wives of AMTs got hired as SRPs too so I guess they got their aircraft maintenance prowess from osmosis? Please don't generalize. There are good and bad at every job. I would not be comfortable with anyone not licensed doing our work but the TWU grandfathered painters and other non licensed workers into the AMT group didn't they? It's the TWU way. We had a guy hired as a painter who was made an AMT by the TWU that couldn't read a micrometer. But this was supposed to be about seniority and if someone should be able to carry their seniority into another classification. I don't think the guards kept their seniority and they shouldn't have. Not going to argue anymore. This is how we do it and how we have done it. It doesn't matter if I agree or not. They don't ever ask me to make rules. If they did we would never have had cleaners and parts washers in Title 1.
So it all comes down to this piss poor union we pay dues to having no type of professional standard at all for their members!! If you can't bend a cotter pin you should be gone!
It's all about the benjamins!!
Wow, glad I've never worked in Tulsa.That place sounds f'ed up!
It's all about the benjamins!!
Wow, glad I've never worked in Tulsa.That place sounds f'ed up!
The guards were given their full company time in Title I. DOH. The reason we were told was that since they were being outsourced they had no place to bump or transfer.Same with Air Cal given full seniority even though they hadnt worked 1 day for AA. They were represented by the TWU.
All you former ramp guys should kiss the feet of the TWU leadership, it's because of them you can just transfer into aircraft maintenance, if the AMTs were in a different union, you would have to get 3 years experience then apply and go through the interview process.
How many ramp mechs could pass an interview without experience, especially now. The new mechanics coming aboard now are pretty sharp.
This is just another case of some know nothing spouting off.
When the SRPs were invented, why did TULE and AFW (our largest voting blocks, and the AMTs mostly effected) let that contract pass?
Looking for info, not being snarky. 🙂
Just spouting off? Which statement of mine do you disagree with?
Money dude! Because it sure ain't benefits. Get a clue!
Again you know very little, we didn't get a good contract until 2001, the SRPs happened in the 90s. If you don't know what your talking about, you shouldn't say anything.
I didn't say "good contract" I said "money". Did we not get a bump in pay and a decrease in benefits from the 95 contract screwing? The kind of contract we idiots seem to keep passing!!
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Not more money for mechanics. More money for the International in the form of increased dues. Other effects were the watering down of the skill by allowing more and more folks without as much experience into the trade. The company helped out by lowering experience requirements, 4 years of heavy when most of us started down to 2 and now none.
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