jimntx
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The length of the contract is not an issue and will not be arbitrated. The issues are monetary. Unfortunately, not in our favor. The arbitrator has to find ways to remove money from the contract, not add.bigjets said:
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WorldTraveler
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so, jim, does that mean the arbitrated contract will be six years - or what term?
jimntx
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You know everything else and know where to find all the information that you need to trumpet Delta Uber Alles. I'm sure you looking for another morsel to add to the legend of how much better life at Delta is compared to everyone else, I'll give you the same information you give others. It's out there, look for it.
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or you could just answer the question based on a desire to have a civil discussion.
so, is it a 6 year contract or some other term?
in case you missed it, I have repeatedly expressed my solidarity with you and your peers to get out of the situation you are in and get the pay that you were expecting.
I still mean that, Jim.
so, is it a 6 year contract or some other term?
in case you missed it, I have repeatedly expressed my solidarity with you and your peers to get out of the situation you are in and get the pay that you were expecting.
I still mean that, Jim.
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thank you.... sad to think that other carriers could well go thru 2 contracts before AA employees get a chance to catch up.
no wonder Parker was pushing so hard to get the unions to sign the merger support letters.
I am very sad to see how quickly he is proving his true colors at the expense of so many AA and US employees who had such high expectations for this merger.
no wonder Parker was pushing so hard to get the unions to sign the merger support letters.
I am very sad to see how quickly he is proving his true colors at the expense of so many AA and US employees who had such high expectations for this merger.
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Yeah, don't be surprised if everyone sees those as crocodile tears.WorldTraveler said:
I'm sorry to see the outcome of the vote, because the FA's could have had a decent TA, but I don't have a lot of empathy for the No and non-voters right now. Elections have consequences, particularly when so many didn't vote.
But, this is the what the FA's as a whole voted for, and it's from the airline management that they chose over Horton. Forgive me if I can't feel too sorry over what's a series of self-inflicted actions.
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they are no crocodile tears, E.
It is sincere remorse for AA employees whose careers and finances are and will be trashed by Parker and co.
despite saying for months that he wouldn't deliver what AA people needed to rebuild their company, there is absolutely no joy in seeing that prediction become reality.
AA people are to be pitied for being manipulated.
It is doubtful that the FAs would really have ended up so much better than the rest of the employee groups since it is clear that Parker intends to do everything he can at every other AA workgroup to keep them low paid just as he did at US.
I genuinely pity the fate AA employees face.
It is sincere remorse for AA employees whose careers and finances are and will be trashed by Parker and co.
despite saying for months that he wouldn't deliver what AA people needed to rebuild their company, there is absolutely no joy in seeing that prediction become reality.
AA people are to be pitied for being manipulated.
It is doubtful that the FAs would really have ended up so much better than the rest of the employee groups since it is clear that Parker intends to do everything he can at every other AA workgroup to keep them low paid just as he did at US.
I genuinely pity the fate AA employees face.
AdAstraPerAspera
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APFA's arbitration attorney was present at the roadshows and literally spelled out exactly what would happen if the TA didn't pass. It didn't have to be this way. APFA did everything they could... what more could've been done?
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I understand that but the fact that so many people didn't understand raises many questions of why the JCBA was rejected.
and you can back up even further to the whole merger discussions and Parker's moves to get labor to support him - only to find out that the whole agreement was riddled with **s that ensured that AA people would never really get what they thought they were getting - and AA people including FAs are just voicing their frustration at that reality.
The FAs might have gone first because Parker wanted to put a great show on but the pilot proposal shows exactly what all of us have been saying - that Parker never intended to pay AA employees market compensation including profit sharing.
Parker orchestrated labor's support of the merger so that he could save US while taking advantage of AA employees' disdain for Horton and co.... and Parker turned it all into a charade to dupe AA employees into becoming exactly what he has done with US people.
anyone with any kind of objectivity could have realized what Parker was capable of doing... the only real surprise is how quickly the wheels have come off the bus of happiness that Parker thought the majority of AA employees were on.
I am truly sad for the AA employees who thought they would end up so much better and note how yet one more time AA's unions have played into mgmt.'s hand to the detriment of individual workers.
and you can back up even further to the whole merger discussions and Parker's moves to get labor to support him - only to find out that the whole agreement was riddled with **s that ensured that AA people would never really get what they thought they were getting - and AA people including FAs are just voicing their frustration at that reality.
The FAs might have gone first because Parker wanted to put a great show on but the pilot proposal shows exactly what all of us have been saying - that Parker never intended to pay AA employees market compensation including profit sharing.
Parker orchestrated labor's support of the merger so that he could save US while taking advantage of AA employees' disdain for Horton and co.... and Parker turned it all into a charade to dupe AA employees into becoming exactly what he has done with US people.
anyone with any kind of objectivity could have realized what Parker was capable of doing... the only real surprise is how quickly the wheels have come off the bus of happiness that Parker thought the majority of AA employees were on.
I am truly sad for the AA employees who thought they would end up so much better and note how yet one more time AA's unions have played into mgmt.'s hand to the detriment of individual workers.
AdAstraPerAspera
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AdAstraPerAspera said:
I'm not asking that question rhetorically, I'm literally asking.
It's time for soul-searching
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recognize who Parker was from the beginning and not have labor jump into his arms in order to avoid dealing with Horton.
hindsight is always 20/20 but if AA's labor leaders are half as smart as they claim to be, they would have listened to the people including me who said to be very careful in dealing with Parker and co.... what he did with US should serve as a very powerful example of what he could do at AA.
AA labor fell for Parker's persuasions and sadly there is no turning back at this point.
We can never know where AA would have gone under Horton but you can bet your bottom dollar that Parker will ensure he wins off the backs of AA employees - exactly what happened at US.
the place to have asked what else could be done was well before labor agreed to support Parker in his efforts to wrest control of AA away from nAAtive mgmt.
just as you argue that the vote has consequences, so too must you acknowledge that AA's labor leaders now have to accept responsibility for doing a deal with someone who has a history of short-changing labor to the benefit of the company and its executives.
hindsight is always 20/20 but if AA's labor leaders are half as smart as they claim to be, they would have listened to the people including me who said to be very careful in dealing with Parker and co.... what he did with US should serve as a very powerful example of what he could do at AA.
AA labor fell for Parker's persuasions and sadly there is no turning back at this point.
We can never know where AA would have gone under Horton but you can bet your bottom dollar that Parker will ensure he wins off the backs of AA employees - exactly what happened at US.
the place to have asked what else could be done was well before labor agreed to support Parker in his efforts to wrest control of AA away from nAAtive mgmt.
just as you argue that the vote has consequences, so too must you acknowledge that AA's labor leaders now have to accept responsibility for doing a deal with someone who has a history of short-changing labor to the benefit of the company and its executives.
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The unions wanted their pound of flesh. They just didn't realize it would cost them three pounds a year later.
Nope, no pity. You get what you negotiate, and the unions at AA negotiated to have Parker as their boss. It's no different than the employees who lobbied to have Icahn takeover TWA instead of Lorenzo. Lorenzo actually wanted to run an airline. Icahn didn't.
Nope, no pity. You get what you negotiate, and the unions at AA negotiated to have Parker as their boss. It's no different than the employees who lobbied to have Icahn takeover TWA instead of Lorenzo. Lorenzo actually wanted to run an airline. Icahn didn't.
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