Is there a new stimulus on the way

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

These people are products of the system, pretty much pawns of liberal/progressive policies. Hence the term 'democrat plantation'. In reality, they are unwitting pawns. I see them more or less as victims instead of the cause.

I agree with you they are pawns. I disagree they are unwitting. I think they know exactly what is going on they just don't care because they are reaping the benefits of everyone else's forced "contribution". They are not victims, they are victmizers.

 

[Slamdunk]

and the typical welfare queens are......

https://www.fb.org/news/covid-package-includes-relief-for-agriculture

 

[delldude]

and the typical welfare queens are......

https://www.fb.org/news/covid-package-includes-relief-for-agriculture

If airlines can suck the welfare teat, so can Conagra.

 

[swamt]

What is the emergency exactly?

No. It's a hand out. Emergency relief would imply there are few or no opportunities for employment (like the great depression). That is not the situation we are in. Jobs are plentiful right now. Unfortunately so is socialism and laziness.

No, this is a hand out being used to promote socialism. A job is a life line.

Yes actually they are. They can do job searches over the internet. They can literally apply for hundreds of jobs per day (job boards make one click applications easy). Want to bet most are only doing the minimum search requirement? Also when people don't actually want to be hired they target jobs they are technically qualified for but very unlikely to get.

WRONG. If you work 40 hours a week at $7.25 an hour that comes out to $290 dollars. Below the $300 subsidy. Plus they get their regular unemployment. For a full time job (40 per week) at $7.25 an hour regular unemployment benefit in Oklahoma would be $163.91 per week. You are getting a total of $463.91 a week for a job that would normally only pay you $290 a week. You are getting a $173.91(37.49%) raise just to sit on your ass.

No. In fact $600.00 got a lot of people far OVER full pay.

25% huh? Based on what? Are you just making numbers up or do you have anything to actually back up what you are saying? I can't speak for your state but I can tell you in the state of Oklahoma your claim is total BS. In the example I gave above regular unemployment benefits outside of the added payments are 56.52% of their original pay. Sounds to me like you are just making crap up to sell an agenda but anybody in the know will see right through your lies.

At least you have some sense.

Frankly swamt I don't appreciate you coming on here selling a bunch of lies to the ignorant and intellectually lazy that will just take what you say at face value because it sounds good to their little socially engineered minds. You, as a representative of AMFA should be ashamed of yourself for coming on here and spreading misinformation. It really calls into question your integrity.

LuLu, I am going by actual unemployment benefits received by aircraft mechanics in my state including myself. The numbers I provided are my numbers and % of how much I received. For you to come on here and claim it is not true is complete BS. My comparos were solely looking at mechanic wages and what they received in my location. I have no clue what other folks make or received and I never pretended to do so. I also said the added "extra" did get folks way more than they would have without it.
You simply read into it too deep.
No misinformation just factual numbers from my experiences during this pandemic.
Oh now hold a minute while I send my "request for payment" into the TWC...

 

[swamt]

The idea that people are just "sitting around" is such a bullshit assumption. And I'm not singling SWAMT out here; it's been pervasive ever since Reagan ginned up the "welfare queen" myth.

I wasn't assuming that. I was telling LuLu that some were not just sitting around doing nothing at home.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

and the typical welfare queens are......

https://www.fb.org/news/covid-package-includes-relief-for-agriculture

Oh please.......

I would not compare someone feeding the nation to someone who literally contributes NOTHING to society.

Your comparison is absurd and shows a high level of stupidity.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

LuLu, I am going by actual unemployment benefits received by aircraft mechanics in my state including myself.

It is a lifeline for a lot of folks.
And for the folks not following the news the unemployed collecting benefits are now required to do job searches (at least in my area) and actively looking for employment, so they are not just sitting at home doing nothing. Also let us not forget that unemployment benefits are paid at a % of what these folks were making before as it is all determined by how much you made in the past. Now granted the added $600 originally did get a lot of folks closer to full pay and now it's $300 but on a temp time frame this go around. Unemployment benefits outside the added amounts generally only add up to about 25% of their original pay. not really something to brag about or even ride on for any length of time.
Now I do disagree with anyone receiving any money or any others who are receiving their "regular" paychecks with no cuts to pay and/or benefits.

Where in that entire post did you specify aircraft mechanics?

My comparos were solely looking at mechanic wages and what they received in my location.

Was that before or after my post proving that your statements were false?

I have no clue what other folks make or received and I never pretended to do so. I also said the added "extra" did get folks way more than they would have without it.

And my point was people should not make more sitting on their ass then they did working. That is a reality for a large percentage of people drawing unemployment.

You simply read into it too deep.

I read what you posted. Nowhere in your post did you specify aircraft mechanics. You did however show your support for a socialist program paying many people more than they did working, of course I was going to comment. What in my post history would make you think I was not going to respond to that?

Oh now hold a minute while I send my "request for payment" into the TWC...

Why the hell are you sitting at home drawing a check instead of working? You said so yourself Southwest has not laid anyone off. You are sitting on your ass at taxpayer's expense and not doing your job. You are basically sending a message that your company does not need you. What a message for a UNION representative to send.

Not to mention you are doing your part to put our country ever further in debt.

IGM much?

 

[Slamdunk]

Oh please.......

I would not compare someone feeding the nation to someone who literally contributes NOTHING to society.

Your comparison is absurd.

in 1992, when oil price was killing airlines, I wrote a paper in defense of bailing out the airlines for a political scince class. I argued that that the airline industry is a major economic engine, increases the GDP BY purchasing aircraft, provides aircraft during war under the CRAF act, provide high paying wages because of the high skills required to run an airline etc etc.

My liberal proffessor gave me a C. he wrote if a businiess cannot weather changes in the business environment, that business should be allowed to fail. propping up all businesses just prolongs the inevitable while harming businesses that are surviving.

That was hard to accept as I was preparing for Delta to go thru its first layoff ever.

That logic does not work when applied to the laid off mechanic with a wife, a kid, a modest mortgage and other bills. So, why not aid the suddenly unemployed workers and F*ck the corporations?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

in 1992, when oil price was killing airlines, I wrote a paper in defense of bailing out the airlines for a political scince class. I argued that that the airline industry is a major economic engine, increases the GDP BY purchasing aircraft, provides aircraft during war under the CRAF act, provide high paying wages because of the high skills required to run an airline etc etc.

All true.

My liberal proffessor gave me a C. he wrote if a businiess cannot weather changes in the business environment, that business should be allowed to fail. propping up all businesses just prolongs the inevitable while harming businesses that are surviving.

Well your professor was a dumb ass. There is a difference between allowing a business to fail and allowing an entire industry to fail that is an integral part of both the economy and the nations infrastructure.

That was hard to accept as I was preparing for Delta to go thru its first layoff ever.

I know getting laid off is hard. However a business needs to cut it's cost in lean times and labor is a major cost. Outside of a UNION which is seniority driven layoffs are a good way for employers to shed dead weight employees.

That logic does not work when applied to the laid off mechanic with a wife, a kid, a modest mortgage and other bills

Mechanics have a variety of skills, hydraulics, pneumatics, electrical, sheet metal, carbon fiber, and composites. I am probably missing some things. You have a lot of skills to draw on and you can find another job until times get better. That is what everyone else does in every other industry. Airline employees are not special.

So, why not aid the suddenly unemployed workers and F*ck the corporations?

Because those workers can go find other jobs and because those corporations have a larger impact on our nation than a laid off worker, who can go find another job.

 

[Kev3188]

Who wants to tell LaLi most of his wife's wages this year were covered by taxpayers?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Doesn't matter to the I got mine type.

 

[Slamdunk]

“Well your professor was a dumb ass. There is a difference between allowing a business to fail and allowing an entire industry to fail that is an integral part of both the economy and the nations infrastructure”

Oh, i dunno. From the cold , hard, Vulcan logic, it makes perfect sense. Would it have been smart to bail out TWA, Pan Am, and Eastern at the same time as Delta, American and Southwest? No.

But people? people need help. Wages have been stagnant for decades. Expenses havent been. A college education is almost unattainable. It is hard to get established in the middle class. In fact, the odds are good that everyone in the middle class is one disaster away from being in the poor house.

The majority of people would rather have a job than an unemployment check. The majority of those suddenly unemployed will be forced to stay unemployed ( think house keeping) the rest will take a serious pay cut.

I’m not opposed to supporting them until we get our stuff together.

 

[delldude]

in 1992, when oil price was killing airlines, I wrote a paper in defense of bailing out the airlines for a political scince class. I argued that that the airline industry is a major economic engine, increases the GDP BY purchasing aircraft, provides aircraft during war under the CRAF act, provide high paying wages because of the high skills required to run an airline etc etc.

My liberal proffessor gave me a C. he wrote if a businiess cannot weather changes in the business environment, that business should be allowed to fail. propping up all businesses just prolongs the inevitable while harming businesses that are surviving.

That was hard to accept as I was preparing for Delta to go thru its first layoff ever.

That logic does not work when applied to the laid off mechanic with a wife, a kid, a modest mortgage and other bills. So, why not aid the suddenly unemployed workers and F*ck the corporations?

Sweet...isn't that the same time frame where there were too many seats and not enough fannies?? Airlines flying at 35% capacity and so on?

 

[Slamdunk]

no. i recall load factors in the 80% range. But that was nearly thirty years ago. what I do remember was buying plane tickets instead of non revving. got tired of sitting at airports. 35%? Maybe after 9-11.

 

[swamt]

Where in that entire post did you specify aircraft mechanics?

Was that before or after my post proving that your statements were false?

And my point was people should not make more sitting on their ass then they did working. That is a reality for a large percentage of people drawing unemployment.

I read what you posted. Nowhere in your post did you specify aircraft mechanics. You did however show your support for a socialist program paying many people more than they did working, of course I was going to comment. What in my post history would make you think I was not going to respond to that?

Why the hell are you sitting at home drawing a check instead of working? You said so yourself Southwest has not laid anyone off. You are sitting on your ass at taxpayer's expense and not doing your job. You are basically sending a message that your company does not need you. What a message for a UNION representative to send.

Not to mention you are doing your part to put our country ever further in debt.

IGM much?

For the safety of myself and my family, that's why.