Is TAESL shutting its doors in 30 days?

[Rogallo]

RIFs are by their very nature unfair to those on the receiving end.

 
Momma always said: "Life is like a box of chocolates, Forrest"

 

[2ndGENAMT]

At US you bump anywhere in your station , and if you cant hold it you can bump anywhere in the system where you can hold a position, you dont bump the junior person in the system.

Dougie and the Alliance are about to "Harmonize" that right out of the JCBA!!

 

[Overspeed]

Per the TWU CBA RIFs should start with identifying how many people are being RIF'd, count up from the bottom of the system seniority list the same amount (unless any of those being RIF'd have nowhere there is junior people), then wherever those junior people are that's where you can bump. The juniority list can be reduced further if some opt to not bump.

 

[Rogallo]

We know how it works there Mr. Brain!
It's anti-seniority.

 

[swamt]

Yea, no shite Rogallo.   Just wondering how they will work this crap out in the JCBA nego's.  Who's language will stand after merger.  Man, you guys are in for a long long time of nego's...

 

[trentrb211]

Just ask the guys from AFW. Many junior guys at DFW, but they were not allowed to bump them.

 

[trentrb211]

Thank you. So much for the one station rule

 

[DallasConehead]

Thank you. So much for the one station rule

In case you weren't aware, when AFW was started, DFW AC Maint was represented by 513, it was proposed that AFW employees be in 513 and one station with DFW, DAL, and GSW,  like it was back then.  514 balked and that was that. Then when self determination came about under Sonny Hall, the idea was floated to make DFW and AFW one local, it was shot down because the guys at AFW didn't want it. Just a little history lesson for ya there.

 

[JAFI]

That's not "unfair".  The people at AFW sat at their overhaul station with the week of Christmas off, holidays off, days and afternoons, etc.  while the line employees worked as line employees, holidays, night shift, out side, etc.  And then the AFW guys wanted different rules than everyone else has had to live with.  DFW and AFW were never one station agreement.  If you wanted to be able to pick your bump instead of bumping the junior guys, you should have pushed for one station or changed the bumping rules that have been in place the 30 years I have been here.
 

Problem in the afw situation is senior guys being forced to bump in mia, lga, ord, etc. All the while there are junior people right here at dfw/dwh. The current system could have a 5/90 employee being laid off at dwh. While a 4/2001 employee at dfw is untouched. That's pretty unfair if you ask me. Certainly a failure of representation. A policy being in place for many years does not make it right or mean it should not be changed. An "injustice to one is an injustice to all"?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Gee JAFI, bitter much? You were welcome to come to AFW. Look at this another way. Lets say 70 AMTs were to be riffed from DFW. What do you think the response would be when those 70 found out they could not bump across the field to DWH or across town to TASEL? I`ve been here 24 years and have never been in favor of the rif process. It IS unfair and anti seniority. The worthless union is the only union I know of that handles rifs this way. How does it make sense for a jr guy to stay put while a sr guy has to move across country? It does not. Once again just because "that's how it always has been done" does not make it right. I have many friends in TASEL that have been and could be unfairly impacted by any rumored rif there. I also have many friends that were put on the street or scattered across the country all the while junior employees at dfw and dwh remain untouched. Have a good one!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

In case you weren't aware, when AFW was started, DFW AC Maint was represented by 513, it was proposed that AFW employees be in 513 and one station with DFW, DAL, and GSW,  like it was back then.  514 balked and that was that. Then when self determination came about under Sonny Hall, the idea was floated to make DFW and AFW one local, it was shot down because the guys at AFW didn't want it. Just a little history lesson for ya there.

Apparently Pike @567 is attempting a one station rule for DWH/TASEL. That's going to be a fight. That is a non-starter here at DWH.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Apparently Pike @567 is attempting a one station rule for DWH/TASEL. That's going to be a fight. That is a non-starter here at DWH.

If this is true then I suppose TAESL closing is not a rumor.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

If this is true then I suppose TAESL closing is not a rumor.

All rumor as of now. I have not had a chance to ask him in person.

 

[MetalMover]

Gee JAFI, bitter much? You were welcome to come to AFW. Look at this another way. Lets say 70 AMTs were to be riffed from DFW. What do you think the response would be when those 70 found out they could not bump across the field to DWH or across town to TASEL? I`ve been here 24 years and have never been in favor of the rif process. It IS unfair and anti seniority. The worthless union is the only union I know of that handles rifs this way. How does it make sense for a jr guy to stay put while a sr guy has to move across country? It does not. Once again just because "that's how it always has been done" does not make it right. I have many friends in TASEL that have been and could be unfairly impacted by any rumored rif there. I also have many friends that were put on the street or scattered across the country all the while junior employees at dfw and dwh remain untouched. Have a good one!

The RIF process might not be too much of an issue had we kept the $12500.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The RIF process might not be too much of an issue had we kept the $12500.

That would lessen the blow for some guys. Still though, I stand by my position that your seniority should work for you without condition or restraint.