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I agree but I remember the last three RIF's the rules were not consistent.iluvaa said:
I remember guys got bumped out of DFW from Tulsa and the junior station was LAX. The TWU local in TULSA cut a deal to protect their members and screwed DFW guys out. Not sure if this was RIF #1 or #2.
I think aa starts with a juniority list, rif'd employees may have options to fill openings throughout the system, then bump a less senior employee at any station still available to him on the juniority list, assuming it was one of his bid choices . Point is, you will have choices, question is, how many..
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Shame on GP & CO if they allow any special deals next time around.1AA said:
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This logic is twisted. You cannot expose more people to the bump then there are people being RIFd. If you did it any other way every one in the system would be exposed to dislocation.iluvaa said:
You did not get your way, the agreement in regards to RIF's was followed and it played out as it should with out any unnecessary bumps, and now you are whining.
I'm not defending any BS union, just sayin.
I've been through 30 years worth of lay offs, and just now with the AFW lay off is the first time I have ever heard people say they should be able to pick any station with a lower senior mechanic. Why should they get special treatment when us at the line stations have lived with these rules for decades?
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That's true. It's also a good way to get the company to think twice before furloughing and/or closing a point- the bump & roll might ultimately make any RIF more trouble than it's worth...DallasConehead said:
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Good point. I understand how lay offs affect people and also their families. I do not see anything wrong with the most senior laid off person bumping the most junior. In the case of AFW, DWH and TUL....all being bases, not line stations, I don't think special rules should apply.JAFI said:
Also,, any more info on TAESL?
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Problem in the afw situation is senior guys being forced to bump in mia, lga, ord, etc. All the while there are junior people right here at dfw/dwh. The current system could have a 5/90 employee being laid off at dwh. While a 4/2001 employee at dfw is untouched. That's pretty unfair if you ask me. Certainly a failure of representation. A policy being in place for many years does not make it right or mean it should not be changed. An "injustice to one is an injustice to all"?
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Look,,, TUL cut the disturbing deal in the previous RIF where guys bumped junior guys in DFW that weren't on the juniority list. It was a disaster that was arbitrated and the referee ruled it was a mistake but that the toothpaste was already out of the tube and thus no way to correct the damage that had been done, other then to not let it happen again. Now, I hear rumblings from guys that it should have happened again? WTF!
The only other way to fix it is put it back to the way it was before, senior RIF'd guy takes out junior guy in the system. etc etc
RIFs are by their very nature unfair to those on the receiving end.
The only other way to fix it is put it back to the way it was before, senior RIF'd guy takes out junior guy in the system. etc etc
RIFs are by their very nature unfair to those on the receiving end.
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All I`m saying is your seniority should work for you without condition or restraint. The current system is broken.
And by not correcting what took place will the co and union be able to claim past practices?? I agree with you that they should have been forced to correct it. The co would have screamed that that would be too much of a burdon on the co, but who cares it did need to get made right and make everyone affected wrongly whole again...DallasConehead said:
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