Is TAESL shutting its doors in 30 days?

[Kev3188]

As far as seniority working for you, we do not have the process where a laid off employee can choose where he/she wants to go. I sympathize with those who may get laid off in AFW while someone junior in DWH or even DFW gets to be home. Maybe this is something that can be reworked either in JCBA or more likely when the current CBA expires.

This is likely the best way forward. No one's gonna be able to undo the past, but you can at least fix it going forward.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

...And when they make special deals to suit a base over the line RIFs ...

Just want to point something out to those who think RIFS are benefitting the bases.  There was a 5% rule that no RIF could affect more than 5% of any station.  The bases of course were the exception to this where guys in TULE or AFW could get RIFFED above 5%.  Not sure if that is still in the rules, but that does not benefit the bases by any means.  This rule benefitted the line obviously.  It seems no matter what we talk about there has to be some kind of line vs. o/h thing going.  This causes the koolaid drinkers to convince fence sitters to not sign AMFA cards.  This needs to stop.  There are a lot of things that benefit the line in other areas that could be brought up too so that door opens both ways.  Seniority should rule no matter what.  That way nobody can claim the line or o/h has the advantage.

 

[MetalMover]

Just want to point something out to those who think RIFS are benefitting the bases.  There was a 5% rule that no RIF could affect more than 5% of any station.  The bases of course were the exception to this where guys in TULE or AFW could get RIFFED above 5%.  Not sure if that is still in the rules, but that does not benefit the bases by any means.  This rule benefitted the line obviously.  It seems no matter what we talk about there has to be some kind of line vs. o/h thing going.  This causes the koolaid drinkers to convince fence sitters to not sign AMFA cards.  This needs to stop.  There are a lot of things that benefit the line in other areas that could be brought up too so that door opens both ways.  Seniority should rule no matter what.  That way nobody can claim the line or o/h has the advantage.

I was referring to the RIF method.  One specific I recall was during the  TUL layoffs in the 90s where the line qualifications/test was waived for those who chose to bump. I don't recall in the early 80's where a line person got a waiver for a specialty shop in TULE when he got laid off.
I don't want to start a new war over line vs. oh, but let's be honest that for decades, TUL has prevailed in certain areas that benefitted them contrctually because of their size and numbers.

 

[dfw gen]

Thanks for the history lesson but there was another reason why it did not happen. I'll give you one guess who droped the ball.

that would have been joe hassen and matt lorenzi. i remember matt lorenzi explaining in his im too smart for you ignorant mechanics that "we dont want dfw's seniority bumping into afw"
fact i was at that meeting

 

[Chuck Schalk]

that would have been joe hassen and matt lorenzi. i remember matt lorenzi explaining in his im too smart for you ignorant mechanics that "we dont want dfw's seniority bumping into afw"
fact i was at that meeting

Matt Lorenzi told me in 2003 that he would take all the line work if he could and he did not care how it affected the line guys.
thats our TWU leadership  

 

[1AA]

One would think using unionism and seniority that a RIF should be offered to a guy to the station that has the junior guy in the system. Placing a so called Red Circle on certain stations or offering select stations to choose from and then bouncing a junior guy out of that station who is not the junior guy in the system goes against what seniority is all about.
Someone did mention more than once that is the reason why we have the TWU and not a real union. Just think a guy with 2000 seniority getting bounced out by a guy with 2004 seniority only because the union made a deal to protect a certain group of guys over another in the same union that we all are represented and pay them money to screw us over. WOW! What a distorted view of unionism the TWU has.
 
If this RIF does happen I wonder how many will go to the junior stations.
I have not looked at the list but I would say the West and East coast stations are probably the junior stations over DFW and DWH.

 

[Shafted]

I believe they have a 20% rule of some kind. They won't let over 20% of any one station to be effected. It would disrupt the operation to much.

I stand corrected! 5% as was stated a few posts up! I new there was some % rule !!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I believe they have a 20% rule of some kind. They won't let over 20% of any one station to be effected. It would disrupt the operation to much.

I stand corrected! 5% as was stated a few posts up! I new there was some % rule !!

I call BS on both. Where is that in writing?

 

[Slopoke]

I call BS on both. Where is that in writing?

 
 
I can't find any limits to bumping into a station in the current contract. With that said, it is possible there is some secret letter of agreement out there covering this.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I was referring to the RIF method.  One specific I recall was during the  TUL layoffs in the 90s where the line qualifications/test was waived for those who chose to bump. I don't recall in the early 80's where a line person got a waiver for a specialty shop in TULE when he got laid off.
I don't want to start a new war over line vs. oh, but let's be honest that for decades, TUL has prevailed in certain areas that benefitted them contrctually because of their size and numbers.

Nobody from the line going to TUL is required to take a test.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
 
I can't find any limits to bumping into a station in the current contract. With that said, it is possible there is some secret letter of agreement out there covering this.

TWU and secret letters of agreement..... a real UNION would have no such thing.

 

[Duke787]

According to the contract avionics was suppose to be disbanded now there is a amendment keeps everything status quo.

 

[swamt]

TWU and secret letters of agreement..... a real UNION would have no such thing.

Amen brother, AMEN.  Time for the membership to get a freakin clue before it is too late...

 

[texasreb]

that would have been joe hassen and matt lorenzi. i remember matt lorenzi explaining in his im too smart for you ignorant mechanics that "we dont want dfw's seniority bumping into afw"
fact i was at that meeting

Way before Hasen and Lorenzi were there when we first opened the Hangar, we had no local. DFW didn't want us. They had nothing to do with it in the begining.

 

[topDawg]

GE.

No alternatives.

Ugh you can keep posting this garbage all you want but it's not even close to being true. 
 
AF does GE90 overhauls. 
JL does GE90 overhauls. 
HEACO owns a company that does GE90 overhauls. 
I believe EK just started doing GE90 overhauls (or is tooling up to do so) 
I want to say Evergreen is doing them. 
 
So no, it is not a OEM only engine. AF just got a 1+ Billion contract to do Air China's GE90 work. American or Delta could overhaul them, they just simply don't want too. (and at least for Delta don't want to invest in a Test cell to run them)