Iran

[Garfield1966]

Seems like a genie was let out of the bottle. There have been protests for the past 6 days and show no sign of stopping. I have read several articles of the past few years predicting that something like this would happen. The younger generations and women are getting tired of the BS from their government. They have had a taste of western culture and are looking for more freedoms. They do not like the way their country is being represented to the world by the likes of Ahmadinejad. Perhaps this election was the start of a revolution of sorts in Iran. I wish them the best of luck but I fear that a lot of innocent people will die before the current government of Iran is kicked out.

It does amaze me that given all the problems we have here in the US, we can have an election and the reign of power are handed over to the winner, election after election, for over 200 years with out so much as a shot being fired. That is pretty impressive given the political situations in some countries around the world.

 

[delldude]

NO

Its over...........

Any glimmer of hope has/will be quashed in the Iranian democracy.

 

[nuclearfission]

Seems like a genie was let out of the bottle. There have been protests for the past 6 days and show no sign of stopping. I have read several articles of the past few years predicting that something like this would happen. The younger generations and women are getting tired of the BS from their government. They have had a taste of western culture and are looking for more freedoms. They do not like the way their country is being represented to the world by the likes of Ahmadinejad. Perhaps this election was the start of a revolution of sorts in Iran. I wish them the best of luck but I fear that a lot of innocent people will die before the current government of Iran is kicked out.

It does amaze me that given all the problems we have here in the US, we can have an election and the reign of power are handed over to the winner, election after election, for over 200 years with out so much as a shot being fired. That is pretty impressive given the political situations in some countries around the world.

Wow, Gar. Actually sound pretty convincing. Good for you! Although I agree with Dell, that this current situation in Iran will be crushed, there will be more to come in the years ahead as people in the ANCIENT Islamic world come to the realization that in the "world" we live in today, certain aspects of ones' culture will not be tolerated in the "world community". We have seen it here in the USA already, and continue to see more dumbing down as we "progress". :down:

Ask an Iraqi how things may be for them today, even though what they had to endure. I guess sometimes with these tyrants around our precious Global planet, sometimes the only time things are accomplished, is when they get their egos handed to them on a platter with blood Au Juis.

Good Day

 

[777 fixer]

Seems like a genie was let out of the bottle. There have been protests for the past 6 days and show no sign of stopping. I have read several articles of the past few years predicting that something like this would happen. The younger generations and women are getting tired of the BS from their government. They have had a taste of western culture and are looking for more freedoms. They do not like the way their country is being represented to the world by the likes of Ahmadinejad. Perhaps this election was the start of a revolution of sorts in Iran. I wish them the best of luck but I fear that a lot of innocent people will die before the current government of Iran is kicked out.

It does amaze me that given all the problems we have here in the US, we can have an election and the reign of power are handed over to the winner, election after election, for over 200 years with out so much as a shot being fired. That is pretty impressive given the political situations in some countries around the world.

If the mullah’s backs are against the wall IMHO they will stop at nothing to hold onto power. Since they all were around when the shah fell and saw what happened to shah supporters they are not going to go down without a fight. With that said I don't think it will descend into civil war. The only way that country is going too really change is when all these old clerics who actually run the country start dying off. History has shown that oppressive regimes cannot hold onto power forever.

Yes we are lucky here in the US. While from a cultural standpoint we are one of the youngest countries in the world from a political/government standpoint we are one of the oldest.

 

[Ed Norton]

Seems like a genie was let out of the bottle. There have been protests for the past 6 days and show no sign of stopping. I have read several articles of the past few years predicting that something like this would happen. The younger generations and women are getting tired of the BS from their government. They have had a taste of western culture and are looking for more freedoms. They do not like the way their country is being represented to the world by the likes of Ahmadinejad. Perhaps this election was the start of a revolution of sorts in Iran. I wish them the best of luck but I fear that a lot of innocent people will die before the current government of Iran is kicked out.

Can you say : C.I.A?
1953 CIA Iran Coup d' Etat

It does amaze me that given all the problems we have here in the US, we can have an election and the reign of power are handed over to the winner, election after election, for over 200 years with out so much as a shot being fired. That is pretty impressive given the political situations in some countries around the world.

Yeah...we are perfect here. I suppose you forgot about 2000 and 2004? And to show that I am not a so called "liberal" lets not forget 1960 when the Daley political machine stuffed ballot boxes for JFK. Didn't LBJ stuff some ballot boxes in Texas to win his senate seat also?

Let ye without sin cast the first stone!

 

[Garfield1966]

Never said we were perfect. In fact, I said "given all the problems here". Also, I said nothing about possible corruption or law suits. I did say that given our problems, It is quite comforting that in over 200 years, we have not had a turn over of power that involved a loss of blood. Compared to what some other countries have endured, I find a bit of comfort in the fact that no shots have been fired in order to change the government.

 

[delldude]

Hmmmm.........Maybe the evil Bush had other designs for the Middle East aside from WMD's?

Plant the seed of Democracy in Iraq and see where it goes?

And as 777fixer said..........as the old die off the new will take over in a brave new world.

 

[dapoes]

I think people are misreading what is happening in Iran. Talking with a long time Iranian freind of mine she said that people are thinking that the demonstrations against Ahmadinejad are a victory for something western related, democracy etc. Call it the Hope and Change for Iran, however without the support from the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who actually is the one controlling the strings for Iran, there will be no change for Iran.

I personally think that Mousavi's views were far to radical for the Supreme Leader to allow. It is not so much that Ahmadinejad is corrupt but the system above him is.

 

[tech2101]

I think people are misreading what is happening in Iran. Talking with a long time Iranian freind of mine she said that people are thinking that the demonstrations against Ahmadinejad are a victory for something western related, democracy etc. Call it the Hope and Change for Iran, however without the support from the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who actually is the one controlling the strings for Iran, there will be no change for Iran.

I personally think that Mousavi's views were far to radical for the Supreme Leader to allow. It is not so much that Ahmadinejad is corrupt but the system above him is.

I agree completely Dapoes.

Well said.

 

[777 fixer]

Hmmmm.........Maybe the evil Bush had other designs for the Middle East aside from WMD's?

Plant the seed of Democracy in Iraq and see where it goes?

And as 777fixer said..........as the old die off the new will take over in a brave new world.

Change did not start to occur in the former USSR until all the old party hacks that came of age under Stalin were planted in the walls of the Kremlin. Of course once change started to occur it quickly grew beyond the control of the government and the rest is history.

 

[Ed Norton]

Change did not start to occur in the former USSR until all the old party hacks that came of age under Stalin were planted in the walls of the Kremlin. Of course once change started to occur it quickly grew beyond the control of the government and the rest is history.

Change in the USSR came because it was deemed by the bankers that it was time for some good 'ole "Free Market" reforms. Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
We're supposed to believe that from one day to the next Gorby saw the light of "democracy" and tore down "this wall" as Ronbo implored him to do!
Yes and did you know that a big fat guy in a red suit has a factory in the north pole manned by elves. These elves build toys for the nice children of the world. The big fat guy in the red suit delivers all these toys on December 25 on a sled pulled by reindeer (PETA should look into this). He somehow manges to squeeze his portly frame through every chimney in the world....Wait! I think Santa's operation was out sourced to China and the toys are now made by Chinese child labor....
What's going on in Iran is another one of those NGO/George Soros Foundation "color revolution."
Staged and instigated by the CIA. Period.
There have been reports since 2005 that U.S. Special Forces have been operating inside Iran BBC News :down:

 

[tech2101]

Leading Clerics Defy Ayatollah on Disputed Iran Election

The most important group of religious leaders in Iran called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday, an act of defiance against the country’s supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country’s clerical establishment.

...Perhaps more threatening to the supreme leader, the committee called on other clerics to join the fight against the government’s refusal to adequately reconsider the charges of voter fraud. The committee invoked powerful imagery, comparing the 20 protesters killed during demonstrations with the martyrs who died in the early days of the revolution and the war with Iraq, asking other clerics to save what it called “the dignity that was earned with the blood of tens of thousands of martyrs.â€￾

Full NY Times article

 

[hp_fa]

I read that already this morning. Interesting, isn't it?

 

[tech2101]

I read that already this morning. Interesting, isn't it?

If that kind of thinking can pervade Iran, the current regime is in trouble.

Time will tell if they can quell the dissident masses.

 

[hp_fa]

I just found this. Link