As you like to say go back and read my post I said "If your point was that you favor" Quite frankly half the time I don't know what you are trying to say but when you say things would not be different if we had a union ran by the members instead of the one currently hideing everything from the members I say B.S. as far as Vote NO goes I have said before and will say again I would do the same thing tomorrow because for me nothing has changed I gave you the last word on the issue and will not continue to beat a dead horse.
OK Show me one union ran by the membership that has faired well in a Bankruptcy filing. Instead of speculation, show me some facts that will prove your point. And the NO VOTE is not a dead horse because most of us lost a decent sum of money. And at the time the NO VOTERS were claiming we would recover all of that and even more. It is only a dead horse to those that no longer want to discuss these ugly facts! Of course it is a dead horse to those that no longer want to look at what it has cost us now. Not a dead horse to me. I still want to know how I can recover the $16,000.00 plus lost as a result. It is not a dead horse to me because I said all along that given the situation, we would not get a better labor agreement, and that is the only position that remains true to this date.
You claim I put words in your mouth but you say I blamed twu supporters for BK which you know is a lie because I said here on many occasions that BK was coming no matter what we did, what they deserve by doing nothing is the under the table backdoor deals that are currently being hatch at headquarters that most likely are going to negatively impact Tul more than anyone else just my humble opinion.
You did post this on 03/01/2012 @ 4:34pm
"Remember to thank all those folks who wanted to keep the twu for this, to all those that fought to remove the twu my thanks, to those who did not you are going to get exactly what you deserve!!!!"
That looks alot like placing blame to me. Even looks like an ounce or two of revenge included in the statement.
Finally my plan was to vote no and change unions but my plan failed thanks to the 2/3rds you claim followed me not following thru and signing a card so we are no better off today than we were back then, so go ahead and attack me for trying to make a difference and as always for being a know it all.
GO AMP!!!
So spell out in detail how your plan of voting no and then changing unions would have helped change to outcome of this. Lets assume for a minute that you have some information regarding backdoor deals that the rest of do not have. Specifically how would a different union change the outcome of TUL being hit the worst? It appears to me overhaul and more AFW is getting the hardest hit. Are you saying that if we had a new union the line AMT's would have given more to protect the overhaul bases future? Please confirm that with something substantial and worth considering to have an ounce of truth tied to it. The problem overhaul is having is global competition and the bankruptcy laws, along with the willingness of corporations to outsource good jobs for more silver in their pockets. Has nothing to do with the name of the union. You are just using a pathetic emotional event to try to advance your speculation without any proof that making that change will succeed in reversing the trend.
The bankruptcy laws do not favor membership controlled unions anymore than weak ass divided unions ran by hillbillies who win a popularity contest every 3 years.
This union membership is so divided that changing unions would do nothing more than take away another one of the many excuses that has been used to place blame.
Your problem is that you live in a world of speculation instead of reality, and that speculation does not put food on the table.
I put my PLAN with specifics on this forum in several postings. My plan would help overhaul survive and would transition line maintenance to parity. My plan would also reduce the companies cost structure substantially without such horrible losses for current employees. Feel free to address your concerns or opinion of my plan, I know you have read it.
What is your plan besides speculation that changing unions will somehow make us united and give us more leverage? My plan is only a legitimate response to a terrible situation. It is not the plan we would all like to see if we travel to your dream world, but it is however a legitmate plan in response to where we are actually currently at and headed. The only thing that makes my plan look palatable is the fact that the alternative looks even worse.
From what I see at United, Northwest, and even Southwest. if you work in Aircraft Overhaul Maintenance, changing unions does absolutely nothing to reverse the problem.
Sure the TWU sucks and needs to be replaced, but to use emotional events like these and falsely claim that changing unions is all we have to do to succeed is nothing but a big fat lie of manipulation using the suffering of others to advance an agenda that is not a valid plan.