If they are On Board, write em up

[A320 Driver]

I provide one example of a petty work action and it is snitching. These people completely missed the point. It's this all about me crowd. Who cares about the paying passengers anyway? Typical liberal I am entitled attitude. I'm not surprised because they complain about the company and probably could not run a lemonade stand.

Where the heck do some of you think you paycheck comes from? The government? There has to be a reason that this airline comes in last place in customer satisfaction. If it makes me a company man to get my passengers from point A to B safely and on time, fine I am a company man.

The rest of you can get up in the morning drag your butts to work, spend the day making your co-workers and customers miserable and then whine online when someone like me calls you out.

Integrity cannot be demanded...it must be inspired. Don't blame the employees. Look around at successful businesses. How many do you see where the employees are held in such contempt as we see at LCC. 500 grievences... 500!!!!!!

The beatings will continue until the attitude improves, right?

Right...

Driver <_<

 

[SparrowHawk]

Integrity cannot be demanded...it must be inspired. Don't blame the employees. Look around at successful businesses. How many do you see where the employees are held in such contempt as we see at LCC. 500 grievences... 500!!!!!!

The beatings will continue until the attitude improves, right?

Right...

Driver <_<

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, however when I read your post my initial gut reaction was "WOW! Only 500?" I think that's a rather telling reaction from a customer.

 

[A320 Driver]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, however when I read your post my initial gut reaction was "WOW! Only 500?" I think that's a rather telling reaction from a customer.

What would have been better? 1000? 1500? more?

Each one of those represent a breach in management's responsibility to abide by the contract they made with a labor group. Each one has to be heard by management, typically rejected. Then they go to a System Board. Many times on to an Arbitrator. And often management thumbs their noses at that decision, we have to get another date with the arbitrator, usually many months out so he can rule again.

When we as labor violate the contract, we are called in for a carpet dance...sometimes fined with time off and sometimes terminated. Our feet are held to the fire. Not sometimes...ALL the time. For the company, not so. We have to go through this process. It can literally take years. Sometimes they are never resolved but are negotiated away during the next contract negotiations. It is a total disrespect for the employees. 500 is unheard of in my 31 year airline career.

Customers don't care about picket lines or protests or anything else as long as they perceive they have received the services they pay for. You'll get your ride. But remember this... I paid part of your ticket. I paid it with a 40% paycut, I paid it with the loss of my retirement, I paid it with a 400% increase in the cost of my medical insurance for me and my family, I paid it with 4 more days a month of work for no more pay. I'm not asking for your gratitude or anything else except that you try to understand the effort it takes to make it all happen in spite of the degradation of my profession.

I just want to be treated fairly. I want management to abide by the agreements they made. I want to be appreciated as an asset and not a liability. Right now...I have NONE of those things.

Enjoy the ride. We will make it as safe and comfortable as is humanly possible in spite of everything else. Those two things will NEVER be compromised. THAT is integrity.

Driver B)

 

[notquiteUS]

Do I smell a troll? :unsure:

People are so unaware of each others work groups and responsibility. Attitude from either side won't fix the problem. Sounds like both parties were just having an off day. I would say try not to let the folks below the wing bother you so much.
The Summer heat is rising and so are peoples tempers.

 

[767one]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, however when I read your post my initial gut reaction was "WOW! Only 500?" I think that's a rather telling reaction from a customer.

Only 500! Of course at the rate the company is helping to clear them it will take about 23 years.


Bob

 

[snapthis]

You know it's not what you say it's how you say it. You come across as a pilot with a "God Complex" and as you reported and very accurately I might add that a ramp crew can make you wait a good long time and there isn't a blessed thing you can do about it.

Look at your own dysfunctional work group BEFORE you criticize anyone. As a group you've lost in earning more than the entire executive teams bonuses since 2005 and that's just this year alone compared to 5 years of executive bonuses. Mr Pot, Meet Mr Kettle.

Hey sniper, I swept hangars, fueled and cleaned aircraft when minimum wage was just above $2 per hour. I did the best job I could then and I have the same work ethic today. I will not tolerate anybody interfering with my duties. That agent was wrong for interfering with the crew members' walk-around. If you had access to the Phoenix Crew News and I believe you don't you would see the outrage as a result of this behavior.

I also don't need you to remind me of a labor dispute between our pilot groups. I'm fully aware of the fake union formed to get out of binding arbitration because rules don't apply to them. I'm also aware that this union has been trying to get a number of our pilots fired instead of representing them. I'm also aware of the money lost by a certain group for trying to cheat a process.

I realize you are one of those rubber necks that can't resist staring at a car wreck. What is it a kind of morbid curiosity? I'm curious.

 

[N965VJ]

I offered to stand next to the terminal, some 40 feet away from the aircraft parking area to which he told me that he wanted me in the jetway and off the ramp so that I "would not be in the way of any of his crew" as they parked the aircraft.

I retreated back to the terminal. As a result, I was not able to re-gain access to the ramp until the onslaught of deplaning passengers were off the aircraft and out of the jetway. This caused a further delay of accomplishing my duties of pre-flight checking the aircraft.

So why didn't you wait up in the cab of the jetway, instead of going all the way back into the terminal? Were you afraid a gate agent would holler at you, too?

In 12 years of working at America West/US Airways, I have never been asked to leave the ramp by a ramp agent.

Hey, we can't have a bunch of new hire kids wandering around on the ramp!

 

[snapthis]

So why didn't you wait up in the cab of the jetway, instead of going all the way back into the terminal? Were you afraid a gate agent would holler at you,

Another example of someone who has a lack of reading comprehension. Go back and read the original post. This was reported by another crew member. Normally, the FO does the walk-around but I think I will start doing them in CLT and see if someone would like to interfere with my duties.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Another example of someone who has a lack of reading comprehension. Go back and read the original post. This was reported by another crew member. Normally, the FO does the walk-around but I think I will start doing them in CLT and see if someone would like to interfere with my duties.

Give it a shot. Just make sure your plane is on the gate.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Time for this thread to go live on a farm upstate, IMHO.

I see my "modest proposal" went nowhere fast.

 

[N965VJ]

Go back and read the original post. This was reported by another crew member.

Okay, so why didn't they just stand in the cab of the jetway instead of going all the way back in the terminal?

You know, being a former smoker I've been on the ramp everywhere. Other than the occasional ramper just asking if my ID was visible, I've never had a problem. Amazing how pleasant life can be if you don't go around sporting a 'tude. B)

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

They had their douche detector on.

Could not have said it any better........

Symptoms you might be a douchebag

 

[snapthis]

Okay, so why didn't they just stand in the cab of the jetway instead of going all the way back in the terminal?

You know, being a former smoker I've been on the ramp everywhere. Other than the occasional ramper just asking if my ID was visible, I've never had a problem. Amazing how pleasant life can be if you don't go around sporting a 'tude. B)

My wife was a 25 year smoker. She put down the smokes three years ago. I admire her determination through the process. The cigs don't call her outside anymore. You don't realize how much time those things take from your life.

Kudos for being an ex-smoker yourself.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Hey sniper, I swept hangars, fueled and cleaned aircraft when minimum wage was just above $2 per hour. I did the best job I could then and I have the same work ethic today. I will not tolerate anybody interfering with my duties. That agent was wrong for interfering with the crew members' walk-around. If you had access to the Phoenix Crew News and I believe you don't you would see the outrage as a result of this behavior.

You swept hangers, etc etc? BIG DEAL! What do you want? A cookie. Pssst, here's a news flash, nobody and I mean nobody cares about the crew news in PHX.

I also don't need you to remind me of a labor dispute between our pilot groups. I'm fully aware of the fake union formed to get out of binding arbitration because rules don't apply to them. I'm also aware that this union has been trying to get a number of our pilots fired instead of representing them. I'm also aware of the money lost by a certain group for trying to cheat a process.

Not interested in what you do or don't need. Here's one from your playbook. Don't like it? LEAVE! You're aware? Hell even Stevie Wonder could see the money pissed away by the arrogance of some (That would be you) members. Say what you will, However all of this rancor can and should be laid at the feet of Doug Parker and Scott Kirby, NOT some poor schulb ramp crew that decided to "Work to rule". Remember your butt buddy Parker agreed to those rules when US & IAM/IBT signed the contract. So logic would then dictate that Management is at least half responsible for whatever was/is experienced on the ramp daily. Work Ethic? If climbing over someone and writing them up is your definition of work ethic, then I'll just continue on my lay way. Why not go after Doug Parker as he "Interferes" with your ability to be compensated at market rates? OHHHH You can't write Doug up so you take it out on people who can't fight back!!! Nice!!! Very nice. You'd be the very last guy I'd want to have my back in a saloon brawl

I realize you are one of those rubber necks that can't resist staring at a car wreck. What is it a kind of morbid curiosity? I'm curious.

Sorry to disappoint, just a 10 year Chairman's Preferred who's last $1,587.00 ticket went to Delta.Now run along and play with the rest of the Stepford's in PHX

 

[snapthis]

Give it a shot. Just make sure your plane is on the gate.

That is, if I could get to the gate. That is, if someone would drag their butts out of the break room a little faster. That is, if the alley is not blocked by an aircraft participating in an illegal job action. That is, if they can find the ground power so I can shut down the engines. That is, if someone knew how to operate a jetway.

Maybe I could get off the airplane.