IBT vs IAM

[awausairtech]

Read it slowly and try to comprehend it:

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Read THIS slowly and try to comprehend it.

ACQUISITION OF CONTROL
ARE YOU STILL GOING FOR THAT IAM AGC OPEN SPOT AND WILL HANG YOUR UNION BROTHERS OUT SO YOU CAN BETTER YOUR SELF ON OUR DUES.....DAM 7 A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT THE IAM SOLD THEM OUT. SHAME ON YOU...............
Your Union Brothers See It And PM IT.........

OPEN YOUR EYES (WE SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE)ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. UNION THIS :cop: :censored: :rant: WE WILL VOTE AND YOUR UNION SOLD YOU OUT.

 

[awausairtech]

Guys,

Get over yourselves it was a merger of two desparate companies.

US Brought the cash and the route structure

HP Brought a successful business model

Neither one survives long term without the other thus the MERGER!

Without the merger it it doubtful that either would see 2007

PineyBob America West was making money and still is.. (two desperate companies?) (DO I Have To Show You Look on this BB)AND AMERICA WEST AIRLINES Brought the cash Just To Set You Right.(The AWA Investers)BOB Look AT AWA( I Want YOU TO LOOK THIS UP(6 YEARS How Many Quarters Did WE AWA LOOSE MONEY And HOW MANY DID WE MAKE MONEY And I WANT YOU TO POST IT.
EAST was sold out by its IAM Unions and Company. We (AWA) were sold out by our Company (AWA) after all the hard work We as ALL AWA Employees Did to keep this Airline ALIVE. Even as UNION Members AWA WAS OUR AIRLINE And We Had Pride In Our AIRLINE.
You Know I Wish The Company Had PRIDE IN ITS EMPLOYEES And There Would Be No Need For Unions.(PIPE DREAMS)

Now The Name Is Gone And WE ARE FORCED TO Deal With A Contract From A Union That Has Lost All Respect Of Its Members and Has Played into Corporate Hands.(THE MONEY BOYS) If You Let Them A AMT Will Only GET 5.75HR.
Now To Have Some Stock Boy Telling Me What Is Best For Me And Vote On My Future Is A INSULT. I Went To School Got My LICENSES (Paid My Dues) JUST SO HE CAN RIDE On My Shirt Tails For His Pay And As I See Looking For A AGC IAM POSITION To Make More Money Off My A@@.
I SAY Noooooooooooooo....................

A BLIND MAN CAN SEE IN THE DARK! :blink:
Have A Nice IBT NIGHT!

 

[delldude]

all broo haa haa anyhow......you'll be screaming soon when NMB shoots your boat outa the water...... :blink:

 

[awausairtech]

America West faced a severe cash crunch. DP admitted as much. US Airways through the efforts of Mr Lakefield brought that to the party. I'm noty trying to insult you or Mr Parker but it was a merger of necessity

America West faced a severe cash crunch. DP admitted.
700.000 for a america west show of in the good IN 2005??????
SHOW ME BOB SHOW ME.????????

 

[awausairtech]

It was widely publicized! I'm not wasting me limited time to act as a proof source. Do your own research. AWA was not in and of itself the white knight. So spare me. I;ve no axe I fly no matter what.

SPARE US.
AND I DO NOT NEED YOU AS PROOF.
AND BOB I BET YOU SHOP BY PRICE NOT BY NAME OF THE AIRLINE.
ITS OK WE ALL DO.
MONEY TALKS BS WALKS.
Bob Just Trying to prove a point USAIR WAS IN BK AND HAD NO MONEY AND The Money Came From The AWA Investors Or Why Did BIG BAD USAIR NEED LITTLE old AWA.

 

[Paul]

As much as it disturbs me to say this, bring it back to IAM vs IBT. You can freely open a new topic to discuss the finer points of the merger if you wish. Thank you.

 

[awausairtech]

OH sure I shop on price! DOLT!

I've spent nearly 700 segment in 6 years on US and it's code share partners.

You need to reviw history and note that US brought a significant amount of cash to the table,. Wall Street pointed this out several times. Live in DP LaLa land but the facts prove different

I Give The Customer is always right.
ok paul lolol

 

[Bob Owens]

I have edumacated my self on this merger.. Now US Airways Group, then US Airways Inc..
The investors were really beating down the board room door at old US to invest capitol BEFORE the merger announcement, now were'nt they.
not to mention HQ relocation, US changing alot of policies to reflect current HP policies, only one big VP from the OLD US to the NEW US. If it were not for DP and the thought of the "aquistion" going forward who would have got the funds necessary to achieve it

You have some good points. Since the name USAIR is "property" the case can be made that AWA is really the surviving corporation and that they are choosing to adopt the USAIR name instead, which is their right since they own it, in order to get the more advantageous contracts that were in place at USAIR and impose those terms on the AWA workers.




The IBT would likely argue this point in court in order to maintain their contract but the IAM would not.At least with the IBT there could be a chance that things will improve but with the IAM they wont. The IAM will not want to spend the money when its so much easier to sit back, collect the dues and blame the membership.

What happened with the stock?

 

[awausairtech]

Well I SEE We Have A Nother Vote THREAD And IBT IS WINNING (AGAIN)!!!

 

[gonzo]

Who or What is the IAM going to blame for the decertification of the IAM at the New Piper Aircraft company? Only after one year of the new three year contract. Wow.....now this group doesn't take any garbage. If the union isn't doing their job tell them to leave.

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The Story

 

[freedom]

oh are we getting some IAM bashing in here? oh let me get my two cents in as well . The IAM that i've encountered lies alot , also their dirty and they smell bad .... Well i can't wait for TWU to win the election so we can get a new contract! horray! for twu!

 

[gonzo]

This thread is IBT vs IAM?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

This thread is IBT vs IAM?

Now a little tid bit that some may not have thought about regarding the outsourcing of maintenance. Yes, the heavy maintenance in the IAM contract is great. At least it's something. No, there is no heavy maintenance in the IBT contract because it was outsourced by Franke years BEFORE the IBT was in. The question was asked if the company was looking at bringing in additional heavy maintenance. The answer was no. The company cannot even handle the heavy maintenance right now, that they are obligated to do per the IAM contract, once the fleets are combined. It was explained that the cost of outsourcing used to be much less (back when mechanic's wages were higher) but with the reduction in mechanic's wages, the gap has lessened. Now, since the company will struggle to some degree, to accomplish what is contractually obligated, the huge cost of bringing more work in house isn't in the future. The company would have to buy/lease facilities, tooling, equipment, etc. But they don't intend to......the vendor facilities, tooling and equipment are already there. So in the long run, it's still cost effective to outsource the maintenance no matter what, in the company's view. Thus the shell game with money and budgets. So it appears, that no matter which union or no union, an increase of heavy maintenance being done in house, is not going to happen in the near or possibly, distant future.

 

[700UW]

Apparently you are not very familar with the CLT hangar, it is a five bay hanger with only three bays being utilized. There is also the line hangar and I would think your hangar in PHX would be able to accomdate some checks.

US did 440 airplanes before with the TPA hangar and more space in PIT. With 100 less planes in the fleet and the 757s and 50% of the of fleet 737s that HP has it would be easy to accomdate the A320 family in-house.

US all ready has the tooling for the airbus and the 737s.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Apparently you are not very familar with the CLT hangar, it is a five bay hanger with only three bays being utilized. There is also the line hangar and I would think your hangar in PHX would be able to accomdate some checks.

US did 440 airplanes before with the TPA hangar and more space in PIT. With 100 less planes in the fleet and the 757s and 50% of the of fleet 737s that HP has it would be easy to accomdate the A320 family in-house.

US all ready has the tooling for the airbus and the 737s.

I'm only passing along what was stated by upper management. I'm sure they've looked at it and have a plan.......one that we are not privy to at this time. I am also not sure what the combined fleet size that has contractual obligations to perform heavy mx, will be in the end. Guess we'll have to wait and see.