IBT/UAL contract rejection, what does it mean to us at AA?

[ThirdSeatHero]

And you are all failing to realize that this was a JCBA, not Section 6 Negotiations, therefore, they wont be able to strike.

 
And again-Once released (minus a PEB) we most certainly can strike. Both sUA and sCAL agreements are beyond their amendable dates and our JCBA talks are filed under Section 6.

 

[700UW]

 
And again-Once released (minus a PEB) we most certainly can strike. Both sUA and sCAL agreements are beyond their amendable dates and our JCBA talks are filed under Section 6.

You arent in Section 6
 
Show me where the amendable date is on the JCBA, oh wait, you dont have a JCBA.

Section 6 clearly states you have to exchange openers 60 days prior to the amendable date.
 
You dont have a JCBA nor and amendable date on a JCBA, UA and CO are still working under two separate CBAs, not a joint one.
 
Might want to contact the NMB about that.

 

[ASSociation Clown]

You arent in Section 6
 
Show me where the amendable date is on the JCBA, oh wait, you dont have a JCBA.

Section 6 clearly states you have to exchange openers 60 days prior to the amendable date.
 
You dont have a JCBA nor and amendable date on a JCBA, UA and CO are still working under two separate CBAs, not a joint one.
 
Might want to contact the NMB about that.

 
And right on schedule you take the position that is in opposition of the working man
 
Much like the IAM position of accepting bankruptcy wages from a very profitable company.  Much like we here all the time from US management of all the anti worker things that the IAM lets them do under their contract.  

 

[700UW]

How many times do I have to explain this over and over?
 

[SIZE=12pt]The first Section 6 negotiations since bankruptcy didn’t occur until 2011 or 2012, and while in negotiations US wouldn’t budge so we had to go into Mediated Negotiations with a mediator from the NMB.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Then the merger was taking place and the company wanted to stop Section 6 Negotiations and proceed into JCBA negotiations with the IAM and TWU.  The IAM learned its lesson on doing that at UA/CO which failed the members. So the IAM with the backing of the TWU refused to go into JCBA negotiations before the IAM was able to reach a Section 6 agreement.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]So because of the merger and the impending JCBA negotiations going to take place, the IAM was able to reach a bridge agreement to get them into JCBA talks, so the IAM informed the members of the new tactic of a bridge agreement as the company wasn’t willing to budge and the Mediator explained to the company they were going down the path of bad faith negotiations.  So a bridge Section 6 CBA was agreed to and ratified by the members.[/SIZE]
 

 

[ASSociation Clown]

How many times do I have to explain this over and over?
[SIZE=12pt]The first Section 6 negotiations since bankruptcy didn’t occur until 2011 or 2012, and while in negotiations US wouldn’t budge so we had to go into Mediated Negotiations with a mediator from the NMB.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Then the merger was taking place and the company wanted to stop Section 6 Negotiations and proceed into JCBA negotiations with the IAM and TWU.  The IAM learned its lesson on doing that at UA/CO which failed the members. So the IAM with the backing of the TWU refused to go into JCBA negotiations before the IAM was able to reach a Section 6 agreement.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]So because of the merger and the impending JCBA negotiations going to take place, the IAM was able to reach a bridge agreement to get them into JCBA talks, so the IAM informed the members of the new tactic of a bridge agreement as the company wasn’t willing to budge and the Mediator explained to the company they were going down the path of bad faith negotiations.  So a bridge Section 6 CBA was agreed to and ratified by the members.[/SIZE]

So the IAM failed to reach an agreement pre-merger, so they used the AA mechanics as leverage just to get up to AA bankruptcy wages, wrote a bridge to nowhere agreement that was communicated to their members in ten letters or less like the ASSociation updates.  Got it

 

[700UW]

Its truly amazing how uneducated on the process of negotiations that many of  you are.
 
So the company is always the good guy and you all blame the unions.

The IAM took a hardline during section 6 as the members wanted their sacrifices back that they lost in two bankruptcies in two years and three rounds of concessions.

So how many CBAs have you negotiated and how many negotiating committees have you been on?
 
Lets read how all well knowing you are.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Its truly amazing how uneducated on the process of negotiations that many of  you are.
 
So the company is always the good guy and you all blame the unions.
The IAM took a hardline during section 6 as the members wanted their sacrifices back that they lost in two bankruptcies in two years and three rounds of concessions.
So how many CBAs have you negotiated and how many negotiating committees have you been on?
 
Lets read how all well knowing you are.

 
Show me where JCBAs can NOT be section 6.
 
I don't want your flawed reasoning, provide a link to a rule or regulation that states that.
 
I have UALs statement on filing for mediation in 2013 after interest based bargaining broke down, and I have the NMB Case number for our SECTION 6 FILING

 

[700UW]

Where is the amendable date of the JCBA?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Where is the amendable date of the JCBA?

 
Both sUA and sCAL agreements are beyond their amendable dates - Where s your link that states JCBAs cannot be section 6?

 

[700UW]

Where is your link that says it can?
 
Your own VP of Labor states:
 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjY-v_fzInLAhUB8j4KHRTcAukQFghDMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unitednegotiations.com%2Femployees%2Fuploaded-assets%2FNMB-letter-5-28-2012.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFdzB7kYbOUESQ0V5EicDJu-q9DxQ&sig2=5Rha2KbK2cVJGaa28izoAA&bvm=bv.114733917,d.dmo

 

[bob@las-AA]

Its truly amazing how uneducated on the process of negotiations that many of  you are.
 
So the company is always the good guy and you all blame the unions.

The IAM took a hardline during section 6 as the members wanted their sacrifices back that they lost in two bankruptcies in two years and three rounds of concessions.

So how many CBAs have you negotiated and how many negotiating committees have you been on?
 
Lets read how all well knowing you are.

Stockboy is trying to reaffirm his allegedly worth!

 

[700UW]

Stockboy is trying to reaffirm his allegedly worth!

Are you obsessed with me?
 
Hey did you ever figure out who Mark Baskett is?
 
Hey Doug needs his car washed, head on over.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Are you obsessed with me?
 
Hey did you ever figure out who Mark Baskett is?
 
Hey Doug needs his car washed, head on over.

For Delta + 3 ..... No problem, I never let my pride get in my way.

 

[700UW]

For Delta + 3 ..... No problem, I never let my pride get in my way.

Settle for less, you are the IGM crowd for sure, and your not even topped out yet.
 
But wait, Doug said DL+7%, do you even care?

 

[WeAAsles]

(WASHINGTON) – Today, hundreds of United Airlines mechanics protested the airline’s contract offer by picketing outside key maintenance bases at the San Francisco, Houston and Orlando airports. 
Earlier this week, mechanics voted down United’s contract proposal by 93 percent. Mechanics also voted overwhelmingly to authorize a strike. Over 9,000 mechanics at United are represented by the Teamsters Union, which will petition the National Mediation Board for a strike release.
 
The mechanics held picket signs that read, “Millions for UAL Execs—Peanuts for Passengers and Mechanics.” Line mechanics and technicians at other United facilities across the United States also participated today by wearing “Tell UAL: NO” stickers at their workplaces.

https://teamster.org/news/2016/02/teamster-mechanics-picket-united-airlines