IBT/UAL contract rejection, what does it mean to us at AA?

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Mabey all the AMT unions could go out to the LA area of the  I L W U  (International Longshoremans and Warehouse Union) and let them train the AMT unions  How to get the money they are long overdue, by way of NO  OT or a STRIKE .
 
What is that old saying, "STRIKE while the Irons HOT ".
 
Gentlemen.  You will  N E V E R  E V E R  have a better time than now, to unite to get what you deserve !   IF you don't seize this opportunity, you all will deserve to suffer Forever, while your respective companies  ' PUNK '  you Forever !
 
Why should the ILWU  not Ever have a problem getting what they deserve, while the AMT unions steadily get PORKED  ??

 

[Rogallo]

Why should the ILWU  not Ever have a problem getting what they deserve, while the AMT unions steadily get PORKED  ??

 
Is there ever a threat of outsourcing the ILWU jobs?

 

[700UW]

Where have you been?

They just walked out last month again and have shut the ports down before over the past several years.

Big difference, they aren't under the RLA, they are under the NLRA.

 

[Rogallo]

Where have you been?

They just walked out last month again and have shut the ports down before over the past several years.

Big difference, they aren't under the RLA, they are under the NLRA.

Following my own union problems, sorry.

It sounds like comparing apples to oranges. RLA vs NLRA. He wants to compare an airline mechanic job to a longshoreman job. I was just asking if their jobs can be outsourced like an airline mechanic job can be?

And why did they walk? Sorry, I'm ignorant!

 

[Black Magic]

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[700UW]

Following my own union problems, sorry.
It sounds like comparing apples to oranges. RLA vs NLRA. He wants to compare an airline mechanic job to a longshoreman job. I was just asking if their jobs can be outsourced like an airline mechanic job can be?
And why did they walk? Sorry, I'm ignorant!

Outsourcing

 

[Rogallo]

Outsourcing

 
Thanks.
 
I'd walk too if allowed!
 
I'm still trying to figure out what I'm paying union dues for!!

 

[DallasConehead]

Those guys out in the ports have strong representation and good leadership. A topped out Longshoremen is easily making more the 140k/yr.
 
They shut the ports down on the west coast and 100s of ships were sitting out there with crap from china that they couldn't get to wally world.
 
A far cry from the unwashed masses that we are as airline mechanics. We are represented by the most piss poor corrupt organization on the face of the earth.

 

[700UW]

Those guys out in the ports have strong representation and good leadership. A topped out Longshoremen is easily making more the 140k/yr.
 
They shut the ports down on the west coast and 100s of ships were sitting out there with crap from china that they couldn't get to wally world.
 
A far cry from the unwashed masses that we are as airline mechanics. We are represented by the most piss poor corrupt organization on the face of the earth.

Compare apples to apples not oranges.
 
They arent under the Railway Labor Act, they are under the National Labor Relations Act, Federal Law prohibits you from doing the same.
 
What did you do to help PATCO? The unions at EA and CO or AMFA at NW?
 
Did you even contact your legislators about FAR 145 when we tried to get it changed?
 
Did you vote for Reagan?
 
You know the President who appointed Elizabet Dole Secretary of Transportation who changed the FARs to allow US based airlines to outsource overhaul to foreign countries?
 
So what have YOU done to change the RLA for the better of workers?

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

As most know the mechanics and related at UAL rejected their contract by 93%. So what does that mean for us? It means we need to support them because their struggle is our struggle and we must be prepared to be active participants in this struggle.
 
Why the United Struggle is OUR Struggle and why we should commit to support and participate in any actions they partake in.
 
The United struggle is our struggle, whatever they get the company has already committed to giving us, plus 3%, but ZERO profit sharing (Delta just got 21% profit sharing). (Jim Littles 4% for profit sharing has cost us dearly and they knew that AA was set to be extremely profitable)
 
Our brothers at United are trying to undo some of the damage that we did to this profession and we owe them at least whatever support they request from us. In 2003, in BK the mechanics at UAL had agreed to a 14% concession, days later we undercut them by giving AA, which was not even in BK a 25%+ concessions package. As a result the 14% was rejected by the company's creditors and UAL demanded more. 
 
If they organize any demonstrations or rallies we should show up in our Local Shirts and support them as if our careers depended on it, because they do.
 
If they start an OT boycott so should we. If mechanics across the industry stopped working OT, for just a week, we could send a message that neither the carriers or their puppets in the NMB could ignore. A message that is long overdue.

If our brothers and sisters are granted self help we should refrain from any activity that would allow AA to capitalize on their struggle and refuse OT until their strike is settled. Working OT while they are fighting for something that we would be getting would make us scabs.
 
The carriers, the courts and the NMB (and even some Union officials) all worked together to rob us of a good career, they robbed us of wages, of Pensions, or Retiree Medical, of company paid medical, of Vacation, of Sick time, Holidays  and so much  more, they didn't do this because the carriers needed these concessions they did this so the greedy bastards could add millions more to the billions in profits they knew were coming. (I'm just a mechanic and I said on multiple occasions that these carriers would be making huge profits, and they didnt need our concessions to be profitable either.) We as workers need to start working together to get it all back because they sure as hell don't need it anymore. Ask yourself is it worth turning down a few OTs to restore your career?  I hope so, one thing for sure is that OT at reduced wages isn't going to make your life longer or better in the long run. 

 
No one quoted you so here it is I am in agreement.
Support them monetarily side by side post the picket schedule for the NYC area.
Hats off to the UAL AMTs wish the AA AMTs had the same resolve

 

[700UW]

And like I said, they can informational picket, they cannot strike.

 

[Rogallo]

Those guys out in the ports have strong representation and good leadership. A topped out Longshoremen is easily making more the 140k/yr.
 
They shut the ports down on the west coast and 100s of ships were sitting out there with crap from china that they couldn't get to wally world.
 
A far cry from the unwashed masses that we are as airline mechanics. We are represented by the most piss poor corrupt organization on the face of the earth.

 
It just pisses me off when someone comes on here and tries to compare our union association to real union representation!

 

[700UW]

 
It just pisses me off when someone comes on here and tries to compare our union association to real union representation!

But its ok for you to compare a union that doesnt fall under the restrictive RLA compared to the easier NLRA?
 
The Longshoreman, arent covered under the Pro-Business RLA.
 
Do you all know the RLA was enacted in 1926?
 
There were no airlines around in 1926.
 
Do you know why the RLA was enacted into law?

 

[MetalMover]

Sadly, the chances of going on strike are slim at best. They would have to be released in order to do so. 3 years in and they never got released. I do not see it happening anytime soon.
But they can be supported in any informational pickets.

 

[700UW]

They can't be released, they are not in Section 6 negotiations.

They are in JCBA negotiations.