IBT organizing Drive

[1776phl]

oreoleman sorry icalled you names i work in phl and i have 17 years i should not have followed what the guys on this board said you are right but i did my mistake now though we would be making 19 dollars am hour bit instead we are stuck at 17 and the same guys are telling us to get another union when redeyes link says they will only enforce our contract any way that cant be worth the risk for us so they must have another motive sorry again 1776

 

[orioleman]

phl1776,
2 things.. 1. the coc if won will do 2 things to your pay.. 1. it will increase to above 20.00hr since your topped out. 2. it will force the company to come back to the table to reneg. with the base starting at 20.00 so as I see it we win on both accounts..
Now if we lose the coc then we wait until 2009 or 2010 or 2011 and basically start over..

so having said that. If we get the IBT or IBEW to represent and keep what we have now BUT and this is a big BUT we have different leadership
how can we go wrong.. the leadership with the IAM has shown us and YOU time and again where they really stand.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

PhL1776,

The reason we are in the shape we are in is because the iam misleadership does not care about the ramp. They care about united and the mechanics. If you haven't noticed, they always negotiate the ramp first. They delay what is going on with the mechanics until they have suckered us into accepting something that is truly unacceptable. Then with what they saved the company by suckering us, they have more to get for the mechanics. That is why we need to change unions. So that we can have our own union that cares and negotiates strictly for the ramp, and not for the mechanics and united.

 

[freedom]

i just wanted to throw in my view on this , if the East wins it's going to be party time for alot of you because your going to get some nice back pay checks ....


But i don't think your going to win the COC



And then we’re going to drink hateraide :angry: , and it’s going to taste good , kinda the way revenge is a dish best server cold .

 

[Ramp Rogue]

PHL1776,

Have you ever wondered why the iam negotiated for us to do pushbacks, lavs, and water? Those things were taken away from the mechanics and utility. Since they are now doing less work, did the take a cut in pay? HELL NO! The iam wouldn't stand for it because they are "THE MECHANICS". If something was taken away from the ramp I guarantee we would have lost something. That is why we need a union that is only our union, where their only concern is the betterment of those they represent.

 

[roosterfish]

PHL1776,

Have you ever wondered why the iam negotiated for us to do pushbacks, lavs, and water? Those things were taken away from the mechanics and utility. Since they are now doing less work, did the take a cut in pay? HELL NO! The iam wouldn't stand for it because they are "THE MECHANICS". If something was taken away from the ramp I guarantee we would have lost something. That is why we need a union that is only our union, where their only concern is the betterment of those they represent.

...good point
...i remember how the mechs were so "angry" that they lost pushbacks that they broke all the windows to the pushbacks in PHL...ooooh.

 

[freedom]

In theory that would be great rogue , but realistically speaking do we even HAVE the numbers to do it ? I don’t think we do … we will just have to find someway to convince this company that we’re worth a decent TA …


Rogue

Rogue

Rogue

How will we do it ? Hmm I wonder rogue h34r: …

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Freedom,

First we need a union that would not stand for the under the table deals that the iam does. If a deal is going to be made it should be for everyone, not just select cities. A union that realizes that each member pays dues, and should be treated equally and receive the same benefits as all members in the union. That can only happen with a new union on the property. Where a deal for one, is a deal for all. Where no one city receives anything more than the next city just because they have more flights. Thsoe things will never be possible with the iam. The iam is only in it for the benefit of the iam. Once the die hard iam'ers realize that, the better chance we will have to make progress for all ramp agents.

 

[perserverance]

Guys and Gals,
The topic of this thread is ''IBT organizing drive''. Could you please start another topic thread to discuss what happened Sep. 5th. This one is 7 pages long and I don't see any posts about the IBT past page 1.
Go ahead and look back....its' all the same people, me included talking about WHY ?? we turned down this TA...
If not, well I tried..........


Thanks

 

[pjirish317]

Is the IBT in or out?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Dear Brothers and Sisters

I spoke with the airline division yesterday [sunday] and spoke with the airline director of the IBT and I regret to inform you that the IBT has no interest in this campaign.

Thus the objective of fleet service is still to change the leadership of this union and to that end it is easier to change Collective Bargaining Agents than to change the IAM leadership at the important District level. This means that I am hopeful that all IBT committees now join in full force with the IBEW organizing committee.

The IBEW has already committed to the fleet service workers at US AIRWAYS and is a viable option. I believe the IBEW will have a great opportunity to make the ballot provided it puts out its full resources. Once there is a vote, the IAM couldn't beat Daffy duck.

If for some unknown reason that the IBEW is not successful, then I will try my darnest to change the District leadership for a 3rd time through district elections.

One thing we know, this IAM is fully committed to United Airlines and has more of a committment to the M & R than fleet service could ever dream of.

regards,

 

[IAMSUX]

Dear Brothers and Sisters

I spoke with the airline division yesterday [sunday] and spoke with the airline director of the IBT and I regret to inform you that the IBT has no interest in this campaign.

Thus the objective of fleet service is still to change the leadership of this union and to that end it is easier to change Collective Bargaining Agents than to change the IAM leadership at the important District level. This means that I am hopeful that all IBT committees now join in full force with the IBEW organizing committee.

The IBEW has already committed to the fleet service workers at US AIRWAYS and is a viable option. I believe the IBEW will have a great opportunity to make the ballot provided it puts out its full resources. Once there is a vote, the IAM couldn't beat Daffy duck.

If for some unknown reason that the IBEW is not successful, then I will try my darnest to change the District leadership for a 3rd time through district elections.

One thing we know, this IAM is fully committed to United Airlines and has more of a committment to the M & R than fleet service could ever dream of.

regards,

Tim

Did the IBT give a reason why they pulled out?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim

Did the IBT give a reason why they pulled out?

They weren't interested. The Airline Director said he had something going on at UA mechanics, and Fedex ground mechanics and some other small outfit and didnt' have the resources. That's basically what was said. Translation, considering the amount of signed support they knew about, IMO, someone was bought off at the top from the IAM. The reason why I say that is because Joint Council gave this a go, and the people above pulled the plug on it. Ultimately, that's what seemed to happen. What's important is that the IBEW does have interest and is showing a mighty committment, one that the IBT, IAM, TWU never showed. So things will get interesting and I hope the IBEW can get to the NMB shortly.

As aside, to the PHX chair: You are a liar. I received your latest 'full blown' lie and I will forward it to the IBEW for their campaign once they schedule a meeting in PHX so all your members can come and see what the law sez and not someone who is either VERY ignorant on the law or involved in purposeful deceit to those he represents. You are truly unbelievable and just as bad as hayden from PHL with the misinformation.

regards,

 

[freedom]

Let me ask you tim , what were the voter turn out totals for the TA ??? From what I’ve heard we did not achieve 50% turnout .

Hey PHL rep jeff hayden , what were the "offical" IAM voting totals for the TA please?

If your going to call our PHX chair a Liar why don't you explain it so we can all understand tim rather than just slandering him without putting a reason .

 

[Dilligas]

PHL1776,

Have you ever wondered why the iam negotiated for us to do pushbacks, lavs, and water? Those things were taken away from the mechanics and utility. Since they are now doing less work, did the take a cut in pay? HELL NO! The iam wouldn't stand for it because they are "THE MECHANICS". If something was taken away from the ramp I guarantee we would have lost something.

Lighten up, Francis.

This truly has to be one of the most idiotic posts I've had the misfortune to read. Where in the he11 have you been the last six years? Utility lost EVERYTHING, thousands of loyal long time employees thrown out of work, only 50 utility remain, 25 in CLT, 25 in PIT. Do you wonder why our fleet of ac look like cr*p now? The people that did a good job got thrown to the street, now we have contractors that do a cr*p job and for some reason that is tolerated.

Mechanics lost THOUSANDS of jobs due to work lost thru outsourcing and work being taken from them and given to fleet. Come spend some time and see what a line mechanic job is really like and the tremendous responsibility and liability, and tell one he or she is overpaid. You have no idea what you are talking about.

I am not a fan of the IAM, but this company would have gotten rid of EVERY ramper long ago if there was no collective bargaining agreement and ALL the rampers work would be done by contractors.

Mechanics are in no way doing less work, in fact the workload and stress dealing with a ridiculous Sceptre POS computer system, having less resources, and working short of bodies many times has made the job much more difficult and stressful, with no relief in sight. This house of cards is very fragile and the systems holding it up are inadequate, again you have no idea. In addition, we have lost so many good, experienced, knowledgable techs that have left the company voluntarily because the bs threshold was reached, and it just wasn't worth it anymore to hang around.

I respect the job fleet service employees do, I've been in this business for a long time, and I've learned to appreciate and respect the jobs done by other departments, rather than fall victim to the whiny, divisive, classic "USAir" symptom of blaming everyone you can and negative thinking.

You need to grow the f up and stand up for yourself and your group in a productive manner instead of being a whiny little wuss pointing fingers at other departments.

Have a nice f'n day.

your pal, D