IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[WorldTraveler]

the IAM screwed up.

it's their investigation as to who was stupid enough not to catch the errors.



DL's investigation is who used company data to support the IAM's efforts.

The only thing that is amazing to the nth degree is how you want to continue to fan the flames that are more likely to burn you than providing any of the light you want to see.

Walk away and accept defeat and figure out how to rebuild your life, Kevin.

Some of us told you years ago that you were chasing the wrong path but you couldn't be bothered to listen.

You're a good person and have a lot going for you.

the IAM is NOT one of them.

 

[Kev3188]

So WT's out.

Anyone else?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I'm calling for accountability no matter where it may lay, and not one of you has the courage to even agree in principle that it's the right thing to do.
 

 
As a hater of unions, collectivism and all things socialist, I gotta agree with Kev here.  While union incompetence (past and present) probably played a major, leading role in the failure of this unionization effort, I would be shocked and amazed if DL management just sat on the sidelines as a spectator (no pun intended).
 
If I were an employee I would be curious whether there were shenanigans or just pure incompetence on the part of the IAM.  The findings would certainly have an impact (positive of negative) on future unionization efforts.
 
Furthermore, I'm a little surprised that somebody that allegedly purports for the Whole Truth would be so dead-set against some sort of investigation - but then again it speaks volumes about the person's agenda on these forums.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, Kevin, I am not out.

I am saying - and you can't seem to grasp - that DL and the IAM have totally different reasons for wanting to do an investigation. They will never agree to do one jointly and the NMB could care less about the IAM's survey.

there are too many different issues and competing stakeholders involved to have a single investigation which is why I have repeatedly said that there won't be AN investigation. There may be multiple investigations by multiple parties - with very different findings and outcomes.

and DL doesn't need to be involved at the corporate level. DL employees have proven on their own that they are very vocal about the union issue. DL mgmt. has had to restrain the two sides many times in the past which is why the SVP of In-Flight told her people to cool their jets. Even if DL gets nformation from the NMB, they aren't going to tell their employees right now.

 

[southwind]

I am interested in the whole story, regardless of where it leads.
Are you with me?

Again,.a.deflection !

Would you vote.in a union , if they had been found guilty card fraud?

 

[WorldTraveler]

and let's also be clear that there is a very high likelihood that the IAM was probably very close to being served with actions by the NMB.

The IAM would not have walked away even if interest was "borderline"

There is no assurance that the IAM will get another chance in a year.

The IAM didn't walk away out of anything but fear of the consequences that might hit them.

Since Kev can't bring himself to admit that the IAM even remotely screwed up, of course his investigation wasn't going to focus on that angle.

 

[Kev3188]

Why would I do that when I don't know the whole story?

What I do know is not only is this system broken, but something went very wrong leaving more questions than answers. What I also know is that at least one "anti" DL employee issued a "call to arms" (her term) encouraging our coworkers to fill out the IAM survey using other people's information.

I am calling for answers/accountability/resolution, and only ONE (!) person has even remotely agreed that it's the right thing to do.

And afaik, they do not even work for our airline.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I have said INVESTIGATIONS are appropriate.

You can't seem to accept that there will not be ONE investigation because there are very different reasons that each party would want to investigate the issue and they would lead to different outcomes.

I'm not debating that the system is broken - but it is clear that the IAM would have never been able to file an application for representation if the system was tight enough that no one could have done what they did with fraudulent cards.

Unless your proposal is to require a more secure environment for cards that the unions will pay for, nothing will change.

Passing scraps of paper around is third world and ripe for corruption.

And afaik, they do not even work for our airline.

yes, OUR airline.

 

[BABABOOY]

This "investigation " should start at the
IAM, and if necessary go wherever it may lead. 

 
This is where I stand on the subject.  

 

[700UW]

and let's also be clear that there is a very high likelihood that the IAM was probably very close to being served with actions by the NMB.The IAM would not have walked away even if interest was "borderline"There is no assurance that the IAM will get another chance in a year.The IAM didn't walk away out of anything but fear of the consequences that might hit them.Since Kev can't bring himself to admit that the IAM even remotely screwed up, of course his investigation wasn't going to focus on that angle.

Total lies and bull crap.

 

[700UW]

Kevin I stand with you.

 

[BABABOOY]

 

[WorldTraveler]

Total lies and bull crap.

so the IAM just threw in the towel because they didn't want to wait for a vote count?

uh huh.

Kevin I stand with you.

 
somehow we didn't expect frick and frack to part ways at this point.

 

[BABABOOY]

Remember this? 
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/teamster-whistleblowers-claim-union-submitted-forged-signatures-to-federal-agency/article/2533663
 
 

Teamster whistleblowers claim union submitted forged signatures to federal agency

 

[eolesen]

If the IAM isn't afraid to do an investigation, but the company cheerleaders are, what does that tell you?...