Iam Really Is A Scab Union

[Boomer]

Just so no AFL-CIO flunky will ever again be tempted to revise history: The IAM agreed to take over struck work even though they state that it cannot be required.

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IAM Admits To Contractual Language Allowing Sympathy Strikes

August 18, 2005
Susan M. Griesgraber
Managing Director Labor Relations
NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
7500 Airline Drive A1170
Minneapolis, MN 55440-1101

RE: IAM Contractual “Sympathy Strikeâ€￾ Provisions

Dear Ms. Griesgraber:

I am in receipt of your August 5, 2005, letter regarding IAM Contractual Sympathy Strike Provisions. Without getting into the specifics of what IAM-represented employees would or would not do in any particular strike, I am compelled to respond to certain inaccuracies in your letter.

You acknowledge that our agreements permit IAM-represented employees to refuse to cross a legally established picket line without fear of discipline or job loss. However, you attempt to unilaterally revise the contractual language to assert that IAM-represented employees may only refuse to cross the picket line if the line is at the entry point of the employee’s work location. The contracts do not contain any such limitations and we are aware of no legal precedents that would require any such restrictions. To the contrary, as you recognize in your letter, the contracts specifically permit IAM-represented employees to refuse to cross a legally established picket line without threat of discipline, job loss or replacement; there are no further limitations.

The restrictions you have attempted to unilaterally impose exist neither in the contract nor in the law. If, at any point, IAM-represented employees decided to honor another union’s picket lines, the conduct would be legal and protected, in accordance with our agreements.

We further disagree with your assertions in paragraph (2). We decline to get into a debate over the law regarding a hypothetical situation. Suffice it to say that we disagree with your contention that sympathy strikers can be permanently replaced. Again, the collective bargaining agreements clearly permit IAM-represented employees to honor picket lines without fear of job loss or replacement.

Finally, we are concerned about a situation not expressly addressed by your letter – that is, members who fear for their safety and physical well-being should they cross a picket line. Clearly any member who cannot go to work because their safety and physical well-being are threatened can be neither disciplined nor permanently replaced.

Sincerely,
Robert B. De Pace
President/Directing General Chair

nab/opeiu#12

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In 92 pilots cleaned planes at US.

The IAM ESE contract at NWA had them doing pushbacks at 90% of the stations, once amfa walked they had no contract and NWA utilized the language in the exsisting IAM ESE contract.

If the ESE's refused to do the work that is in their scope language would AMFA pay them when they got fired for refusing to do such work?

Compare apples to apples not oranges.

I dont condone what is happening, just explaining what is happening.

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700UW,

The fact is that prior to the AMFA strike at NWA, the work in question was AMFA work and there were no stations staffed with AMFA employees where that work was done by the IAM.

Further, the work in question was subject to negotiations resulting in the current resort to self-help. NWA attempted to negotiate the work in question away from the AMFA and towards the IAM; those proposal were in fact rejected by the AMFA and form part of the subsequent labor impasse cited by NWA in their application to the NMB for a 30 day countdown and a release to self-help.

In short, your verbal contortions betray you. The IAM is and will now be considered to be a SCAB outfit. It is little wonder that the AFL-CIO is left populated by organizations like the TWU and the IAM when others have chosen to leave.

 

[jetmechline]

In 92 pilots cleaned planes at US.

The IAM ESE contract at NWA had them doing pushbacks at 90% of the stations, once amfa walked they had no contract and NWA utilized the language in the exsisting IAM ESE contract.

If the ESE's refused to do the work that is in their scope language would AMFA pay them when they got fired for refusing to do such work?

Compare apples to apples not oranges.

I dont condone what is happening, just explaining what is happening.

[post="290618"][/post]​

Following is a cut/paste from the-mechanic.com. TM aka {DENNIS SANDERSON}
is the web master and has the reputation for honesty and integrity. You can believe the following.

Greetings All,
I have received a telephone call from a old friend at NWA, (who is without question reliable and in a 'position to know' what is now occuring), that many IAM members now working are currently being very 'supportive' of the strike, and are in fact providing the AMFA with much valuable information that it would be impossible to obtain without their assistance. From the tone of our conversation it was apparent that AMFA officials are very appreciative of the help from these ESEs and others. These workers are NOT performing jobs that are normally performed by AMFA members, and are without question honorable and decent people. - TM

 

[BottomFeeder]

Dont worry bottom, we all know your version of the facts.

Since you ran to cross the picket line and perform struck work.

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700UW,

Don't worry about the pilots doing the cleaning at NW. It seems the IAM has beat feet to clean the aircraft.




Well apparently, the IAM are doing struck work, trying to take something from the AMFA members.

"Meanwhile, members of the machinists' union, which usually handles tasks like baggage handling and customer service, took on the task of cleaning Northwest's cabins between flights at its hubs here and in Minneapolis, a job that was previously done by the mechanics' union.

Steve Gordon, president of the machinists' union local here, said he did not enjoy crossing another union's picket line. But Mr. Gordon, whose union used to represent mechanics until AMFA won an organizing drive in 1999, said he preferred to see his workers taking on the mechanics' old tasks, instead of having Northwest hire outside contractors.

"I'm going to make sure my members have a chance to get that work," Mr. Gordon said".





P.S.

The AW forum people seem to love you. Better change your handle fast!

 

[BottomFeeder]

In 92 pilots cleaned planes at US.

The IAM ESE contract at NWA had them doing pushbacks at 90% of the stations, once amfa walked they had no contract and NWA utilized the language in the exsisting IAM ESE contract.

If the ESE's refused to do the work that is in their scope language would AMFA pay them when they got fired for refusing to do such work?

Compare apples to apples not oranges.

I dont condone what is happening, just explaining what is happening.

[post="290618"][/post]​

700UW,

According to you the cleaning of aircraft by another union made them SCABS.

Explain what is happening at NW in regards to the IAM cleaning the aircraft. Are they now SCABS?

 

[700UW]

Once again, the cleaning is done at most stations by the ESEs and the lanaguage is in the scope of the IAM/NWA ESE contract.

 

[Dizel8]

Once again, the cleaning is done at most stations by the ESEs and the lanaguage is in the scope of the IAM/NWA ESE contract.

[post="290786"][/post]​

What part of this is ambigous to you:

"said he preferred to see his workers taking on the mechanics' old tasks"

Just curious?

 

[700UW]

Mechanics did not clean planes.

And in the scope language for the ESEs contains language for cleaning.

 

[Dizel8]

Who represents some of the workers doing the cleaning of NWA airplanes? What are those NWA employees currently doing? What is the person from the IAM saying? What part might I seem to be missing?

I think it is pretty self explanatory and if anything, the statement from Mr. Gordon spells it out loud and clear: "Mr. Gordon, whose union used to represent mechanics until AMFA won an organizing drive in 1999, said he preferred to see his workers taking on the mechanics' old tasks, instead of having Northwest hire outside contractors.

"I'm going to make sure my members have a chance to get that work," Mr. Gordon said"."

IOW, the way I read that statement is, that Mr. Gordon the IAM, has no problem with IAM members performing jobs that were previously enjoyed by the mechanics and related. Further, I can see a future, should NWA manage to beat r AMFA, where in the future,the IAM tries to represent the current Scabs/Replacement workers.

Having read the love letter between the IAM and AMFA, I have little doubt, that IAM, in their zest for members and dues, would gladly represent the current scabs at NWA.

I understand part of the politics here, but for the IAM to condone and encourage its members to perform work, that was previously performed by AMFA, is simply a bit much. Seems like they, IAM, will do anything, even assisting NWA management, simply to punish the AMFA members.

Should the IAM ever decide to strike at NWA, they will find little sympathy from me!

 

[BottomFeeder]

Once again, the cleaning is done at most stations by the ESEs and the lanaguage is in the scope of the IAM/NWA ESE contract.

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700UW,

MOST STATIONS are not all stations. The IAM is cleaning aircraft that is struck work at other locations.

Can you say SCAB

 

[AP Tech]

Just talking about the strike on CNBC, reporters amazed at the lack of solidarity by the other unions on the property. Highly unionized company and they still will not stick together. Professor just stated the FA's and Pilots are next.......This is a prime example why unions are on the downslide in the US. They did mention the episode at Heathrow where BA was shut down for a day due to ex U CEO Siegel's company.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Mechanics did not clean planes.

And in the scope language for the ESEs contains language for cleaning.

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700UW,

Don't let the facts get in your way.

Some of the stations did have AMFA cleaning the aircraft. Just like when you use to clean aircraft. Maybe when you were a cleaning trainer you trained some of the IAM guys now at NW. :blink:

 

[Dizel8]

NWA management is playing this one "beatifully". First, sign a deal with the group that has the most to lose and is the hardest to replace. Then take on the smallest union, who has little support from the rest and no support from the IAM due to politics . To further show resolve, start showing the F/A's, that replacement workers are being trained. It is quite the plan indeed, apparently being condoned by the White House, since NWA asked that a PEB should not be invoked.

The biggest loser here, besides the AMFA members, will be the F/A's, because NWA will soon make some serious demands on them. It is therefore very sad, that the F/A's has chosen not to support AMFA!

 

[700UW]

Nope sorry dont work for NWA and dont do cleaning.

Thought you were over there reliving your cleaning from 1992.

 

[delldude]

i wouldn't neccesarily say IAM is a scab union but knowing what i do about the infamous
second vote and the membership caving.....the membership can lean that way real quick......
they all got familys and bills to pay , you know?

 

[PITMTC]

i wouldn't neccesarily say IAM is a scab union but knowing what i do about the infamous
second vote and the membership caving.....the membership can lean that way real quick...... they all got familys and bills to pay , you know?

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Yea sure, let the membership vote on something you don't agree with so you could blame them for the yes vote.
Hmmmmm..where have I heard that rhetoric before. Hint: "Don't let the facts get in your way"