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Iam Really Is A Scab Union
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- #47
See you are showing your lack of intelligence and you are a PIC god help your passengers.
Explain how any IAM member at US is a scab?
None of them are working at NWA replacing AMFA members.
Keep trying to deflect that you crossed a picket line and performed struck work, you need to look in the mirror and say that word scab.
I have never crossed a picket line and never will, I have never performed struck work and never will.
Can you say the same?
NOPE, October of 1992 you made your choice to turn your back on the labor movement.
Explain how any IAM member at US is a scab?
None of them are working at NWA replacing AMFA members.
Keep trying to deflect that you crossed a picket line and performed struck work, you need to look in the mirror and say that word scab.
I have never crossed a picket line and never will, I have never performed struck work and never will.
Can you say the same?
NOPE, October of 1992 you made your choice to turn your back on the labor movement.
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700UW said:
700UW,
There is no America without labor, and to fleece the one is to rob the other.
Is this your motto?
How does the IAM fit in with the struck NW work?
Seems like they are fleecing.
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- #49
Hey,
When are you gonna answer the questions?
We all know what you did in 1992 as an ALPA member, so why did ALPA make a secret deal and why did ALPA not honor any picket line?
And read this S L O W L Y you might understand it, the IAM/NWA Fleet Service contract contains scope language for the pushback of planes.
When are you gonna answer the questions?
We all know what you did in 1992 as an ALPA member, so why did ALPA make a secret deal and why did ALPA not honor any picket line?
And read this S L O W L Y you might understand it, the IAM/NWA Fleet Service contract contains scope language for the pushback of planes.
Bottom line, IAM crossed the picket line at NWA no attempt to even try and honor it...not even for a day? Keep slamming ALPA, the IAM is no better! Took advantage of the now famous "scope" and picked up some duties maybe even added some workers which we all know equal dues!!!
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700UW said:
Funny, that the people would go on strike when it is not their job.
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700UW said:
700Uw,
Here is a blast from the past:
The Scab
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."
"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."
"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."
"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself." A scab has not.
"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commision in the british army." The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.
Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."
Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)
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700UW said:
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1123887240.html
Here is the official IAM position at NWA from the GVP. Robert Roach .
August 12, 2005
The International Association of Machinists, Northwest's largest union, which used to represent the mechanics, said years of bad blood between them prevents cooperation.
"IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA," said IAM General Vice President Robert Roach in an August 9 letter to AMFA. "AMFA has never honored an IAM picket line."
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- #55
Bob,
Once again you do not know what you are talking about, at UAL there have been numerous strikes a few long ones.
There was a strike at US Airways and a very ugly one at Boeing not too long ago.
There have been many strikes by the IAM.
But the ultimate goal is not to go on strike but to reach a deal.
Once again you do not know what you are talking about, at UAL there have been numerous strikes a few long ones.
There was a strike at US Airways and a very ugly one at Boeing not too long ago.
There have been many strikes by the IAM.
But the ultimate goal is not to go on strike but to reach a deal.
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Updated 08/20/05 01:05 A.M. (CDT)
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Hey 700 looks like the hole is getting deeper for the old fighting machnists this wouldn't have anythng to do with the fact that the leaders are scared since becoming advocates for scabing could it!
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Air Wisconsin
Alaska Airlines COPS
Alaska Airlines RSSA
Great Lakes COFPS
Great Lakes MRP
Northwest Airlines
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ALPA Will Not Honor AMFA Strike
IAM Gets Pushback Work
Strike Is On
2005 Safety Conference
GRCC Conference
ASA August Update
NWA August Update
ZW August Update
IAM/NWA Contractual Sympathy Strike Provisions
PDGC De Pace Responds
Stay Put
GVP Robert Roach, Jr., Responds
NWA Mechanics Propose IAM Concessions
We're Not Going To Take It! We Have Rights!
Unity Day
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Contact your representatives and make your voice heard. It's easy!
Monthly Legislative Review
IMPORTANT NOTICE:
The District 143 GRCC Conference scheduled for the week of August 22
in St. Paul, Minnesota has been CANCELLED.
If you have any questions, please contact Secretary-Treasurer Steve Dunn.
President/Directing General Chair Bobby De Pace addresses local lodge presidents August 17 regarding a potential strike on NW property by mechanics.
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home|news|about district 143|links|email|president's report|wired to the prez
Air Transport District 143
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
COPYRIGHT 2005
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
Hey 700 looks like the hole is getting deeper for the old fighting machnists this wouldn't have anythng to do with the fact that the leaders are scared since becoming advocates for scabing could it!
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- #57
Letter from AMFA to the IAM
O. V. Delle-Femine
National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
67 Water Street
Suite 208A
Laconia, NH 03246
O. V. Delle-Femine:
I am in receipt of your letter dated July 27, 2005, in which you requested that the IAM encourage our members to stand with AMFA. You have acknowledged in your letter that there are philosophical differences between our organizations and memberships.
I am surprised by your request in that since 1962 AMFA has preached that a Mechanic does not need the assistance of “unskilled†workers such as myself or many of the people I represent. When you urged the nearly 10,000 Northwest Mechanics (at the time) to join your craft organization in 1998 you declared their strength lies in their skill, not in the numbers of the Machinists Union. You must still believe this to be true because as recently as in a July 26, 2005 news article your Assistant National Director Steve MacFarlane said, “Strength in numbers doesn't necessarily mean strength.â€
However, now when your organization has the first opportunity in its history to demonstrate this “strength in skill†dogma you preach, you turn to an organization that you have criticized and tried to belittle for more than 40 years, the IAM, for help. It is about time that AMFA recognizes that it cannot win a major labor dispute standing in isolation.
We could recite a litany of issues that have happened since AMFA’s inception that would only distract us from making appropriate decisions as they relate to the situation with Northwest Airlines.
However, we are concerned and currently investigating the many reports of harassment and intimidation by AMFA members against IAM members. These complaints include, but are not limited to, attacks on our female members in Building B in Minneapolis, property damage, and general harassment in the workplace such as the incidents that have happened in Detroit.
In addition, AMFA, as an institution, has proposed, and is actively advocating, that Northwest Airlines demand $150,000,000.00 more in concessions than the $107,000,000.00 that Northwest has requested from our membership.
AMFA negotiators are proud of this proposal and have been actively promoting it to your membership.
After more than 40 years, your philosophy continues to be that people working in classifications other than the licensed Mechanic should work for less pay so that the licensed
Mechanic could be paid more. That philosophy is once again confirmed by AMFA, the institution, by proposing that the so-called unskilled be made to sacrifice more for the benefit of the licensed AMFA member.
Until your July 27th letter, it has been AMFA’s philosophy that the IAM, as an institution, has prevented the Mechanic classification from receiving the wages and benefits that they deserve because we, the IAM, were negotiating too much money for the so-called unskilled classifications, such as Stock Clerk, Equipment Service, Customer Service, Reservations, Clerical, etc. We, therefore, have refrained from any activity that could be construed as interfering with the internal affairs of the AMFA organization, as opposed to your organization’s history of attempting to raid our organization every time we are involved in difficult negotiations. We have, and I reiterate, refrained from any interference in your internal affairs.
However, in stark contrast, you will remember that in your last round of negotiations, AMFA, the Association, negotiated with Northwest Airlines to rob IAM members of work and ultimately jobs.
If your letter of July 27, 2005, was an attempt to “heal the wounds†that have been inflicted upon the IAM, our members, and the personal attacks that have been levied against IAM leadership, then we must inform you that mere words will not start the healing process. It is AMFA, the institution’s, deeds that will tell if you are truly serious about healing the wounds. Therefore, we demand:
1) AMFA conduct an investigation into the allegations of intimidation of our members, especially our female members, and upon conclusion of such investigation take whatever action is necessary under your Constitution and Bylaws to hold those responsible accountable.
2) AMFA, as an institution, publicly apologize to IAM members who have been harmed by the AMFA rhetoric.
3) AMFA, as an institution, and its negotiators denounce publicly, and withdraw
in writing from the negotiation table, its proposal for IAM members to pay more
in wage and benefit concessions than the carrier has requested.
In addition, we need answers to the following questions.
1) Does AMFA, the institution, have a strike fund with sufficient assets to protect IAM members?
2) Does the so-called AMFA “back to work agreement†provide for financial support to any IAM member that stands with AMFA?
3) Does AMFA guarantee that no AMFA-represented member will come back to work while IAM members who have stood with AMFA have not been returned to work?
4) Will the AMFA membership be allowed to vote whether or not to accept a contract to strike or will it be an elite few that make that decision?
IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA. AMFA has never honored an IAM picket line. To represent otherwise, as stated in your July 20th letter to all members on NWA property, is nothing more than an attempt to use trickery and deceit to persuade IAM members to stand with you.
The IAM is monitoring the situation very closely with ALPA representatives.
The Machinists Union takes our moral and legal responsibility to protect our members seriously, and whatever action we recommend will be in the best interests of the Machinists Union membership at Northwest Airlines.
In your July 27th letter you requested that we encourage our members to stand with AMFA, thereby recognizing that whether or not someone stands with your organization is an individual choice. However, it would be very difficult for any IAM member to stand with your organization knowing full well that if AMFA wins, the IAM members lose, because AMFA, the institution, is fighting for IAM members to pay more in sacrifices than is currently proposed by Northwest Airlines.
Our members can rest assured that whatever action the IAM takes will be in the best interests of its members.
Robert Roach, Jr.
GENERAL VICE PRESIDENT
O. V. Delle-Femine
National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
67 Water Street
Suite 208A
Laconia, NH 03246
O. V. Delle-Femine:
I am in receipt of your letter dated July 27, 2005, in which you requested that the IAM encourage our members to stand with AMFA. You have acknowledged in your letter that there are philosophical differences between our organizations and memberships.
I am surprised by your request in that since 1962 AMFA has preached that a Mechanic does not need the assistance of “unskilled†workers such as myself or many of the people I represent. When you urged the nearly 10,000 Northwest Mechanics (at the time) to join your craft organization in 1998 you declared their strength lies in their skill, not in the numbers of the Machinists Union. You must still believe this to be true because as recently as in a July 26, 2005 news article your Assistant National Director Steve MacFarlane said, “Strength in numbers doesn't necessarily mean strength.â€
However, now when your organization has the first opportunity in its history to demonstrate this “strength in skill†dogma you preach, you turn to an organization that you have criticized and tried to belittle for more than 40 years, the IAM, for help. It is about time that AMFA recognizes that it cannot win a major labor dispute standing in isolation.
We could recite a litany of issues that have happened since AMFA’s inception that would only distract us from making appropriate decisions as they relate to the situation with Northwest Airlines.
However, we are concerned and currently investigating the many reports of harassment and intimidation by AMFA members against IAM members. These complaints include, but are not limited to, attacks on our female members in Building B in Minneapolis, property damage, and general harassment in the workplace such as the incidents that have happened in Detroit.
In addition, AMFA, as an institution, has proposed, and is actively advocating, that Northwest Airlines demand $150,000,000.00 more in concessions than the $107,000,000.00 that Northwest has requested from our membership.
AMFA negotiators are proud of this proposal and have been actively promoting it to your membership.
After more than 40 years, your philosophy continues to be that people working in classifications other than the licensed Mechanic should work for less pay so that the licensed
Mechanic could be paid more. That philosophy is once again confirmed by AMFA, the institution, by proposing that the so-called unskilled be made to sacrifice more for the benefit of the licensed AMFA member.
Until your July 27th letter, it has been AMFA’s philosophy that the IAM, as an institution, has prevented the Mechanic classification from receiving the wages and benefits that they deserve because we, the IAM, were negotiating too much money for the so-called unskilled classifications, such as Stock Clerk, Equipment Service, Customer Service, Reservations, Clerical, etc. We, therefore, have refrained from any activity that could be construed as interfering with the internal affairs of the AMFA organization, as opposed to your organization’s history of attempting to raid our organization every time we are involved in difficult negotiations. We have, and I reiterate, refrained from any interference in your internal affairs.
However, in stark contrast, you will remember that in your last round of negotiations, AMFA, the Association, negotiated with Northwest Airlines to rob IAM members of work and ultimately jobs.
If your letter of July 27, 2005, was an attempt to “heal the wounds†that have been inflicted upon the IAM, our members, and the personal attacks that have been levied against IAM leadership, then we must inform you that mere words will not start the healing process. It is AMFA, the institution’s, deeds that will tell if you are truly serious about healing the wounds. Therefore, we demand:
1) AMFA conduct an investigation into the allegations of intimidation of our members, especially our female members, and upon conclusion of such investigation take whatever action is necessary under your Constitution and Bylaws to hold those responsible accountable.
2) AMFA, as an institution, publicly apologize to IAM members who have been harmed by the AMFA rhetoric.
3) AMFA, as an institution, and its negotiators denounce publicly, and withdraw
in writing from the negotiation table, its proposal for IAM members to pay more
in wage and benefit concessions than the carrier has requested.
In addition, we need answers to the following questions.
1) Does AMFA, the institution, have a strike fund with sufficient assets to protect IAM members?
2) Does the so-called AMFA “back to work agreement†provide for financial support to any IAM member that stands with AMFA?
3) Does AMFA guarantee that no AMFA-represented member will come back to work while IAM members who have stood with AMFA have not been returned to work?
4) Will the AMFA membership be allowed to vote whether or not to accept a contract to strike or will it be an elite few that make that decision?
IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA. AMFA has never honored an IAM picket line. To represent otherwise, as stated in your July 20th letter to all members on NWA property, is nothing more than an attempt to use trickery and deceit to persuade IAM members to stand with you.
The IAM is monitoring the situation very closely with ALPA representatives.
The Machinists Union takes our moral and legal responsibility to protect our members seriously, and whatever action we recommend will be in the best interests of the Machinists Union membership at Northwest Airlines.
In your July 27th letter you requested that we encourage our members to stand with AMFA, thereby recognizing that whether or not someone stands with your organization is an individual choice. However, it would be very difficult for any IAM member to stand with your organization knowing full well that if AMFA wins, the IAM members lose, because AMFA, the institution, is fighting for IAM members to pay more in sacrifices than is currently proposed by Northwest Airlines.
Our members can rest assured that whatever action the IAM takes will be in the best interests of its members.
Robert Roach, Jr.
GENERAL VICE PRESIDENT
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- Thread starter
- #58
Bottom line is the IAM is still guilty of advocating being a scab!! You can copy millions of letters but any union that allows it's members to scab is nothing more than a scab union!! The IAM will never strike at NWA they will just continue to lower their members standard of living and keep working for substandard wages you can count on it!!
700UW said:
You are really pathetic!! The fact is they are on strike and you are doing struck work, that makes the IAM scabs-PERIOD!!!!!!
Do you mean to tell me that if USAIRWAYS decided to modify the IAM contract where all fleet service workwas farmed out and you struck that those doing the struck work would not be scabs because USAIR already contracted out Fleet Service work at some stations?
You pretend to be a union man but you just proved what you are with those posts-a scab at heart-brother.
Pilots that are doing that are scabs. I doubt pilots are cleaning planes.
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- #60
In 92 pilots cleaned planes at US.
The IAM ESE contract at NWA had them doing pushbacks at 90% of the stations, once amfa walked they had no contract and NWA utilized the language in the exsisting IAM ESE contract.
If the ESE's refused to do the work that is in their scope language would AMFA pay them when they got fired for refusing to do such work?
Compare apples to apples not oranges.
I dont condone what is happening, just explaining what is happening.
The IAM ESE contract at NWA had them doing pushbacks at 90% of the stations, once amfa walked they had no contract and NWA utilized the language in the exsisting IAM ESE contract.
If the ESE's refused to do the work that is in their scope language would AMFA pay them when they got fired for refusing to do such work?
Compare apples to apples not oranges.
I dont condone what is happening, just explaining what is happening.
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