IAM Mech. & Related Thread

[UpAllNight]

The parity +1% is on wages of the top 5 at the TIME of that language. :blink: So if left in there we could end up with a pay cut. Also the company won the grievance. so it's a moot point. Also if you go back to 1984 or so . We lost a station in another grievance that went to arbitration. The Labor protection THAT is ,and remains in the contract ,remains. Along with Alter Ego. You get to go with your work, or bump where your number will hold you. As far as retieing and going to work some place else. You will start at day 1. And I don't know of any plan that will let you collect unless you meet the age requirements. Unless you worked for the government with a 20 year and out.You can collect your 401. But you will pay 40% out in taxes. So to start over at 59 1/2 ,it had better be a huge raise.

Finally somebody understands why the union NOT the company wanted the COC removed from the T/A. Bill Friburger himself said tht THE UNION wanted it removed I heard him say it with my own two ears. Besides I said it before the COC is useless, they company knows how to get around it and it only applies to pay not job protection.

 

[doom on you]

Finally somebody understands why the union NOT the company wanted the COC removed from the T/A. Bill Friburger himself said tht THE UNION wanted it removed I heard him say it with my own two ears. Besides I said it before the COC is useless, they company knows how to get around it and it only applies to pay not job protection.

Bill F. also said that if you don't want to wash your uniforms at home, then take then to the dry-cleaners and write it off on your taxes.
He also said that they need Space Positive because getting to TPA was to hard in the winter. He said that to buy a ticket would cost too much. Hey Biil F., buy the ticket, then write it off on your taxes.
Planemx, good posts #74-#75.

 

[orioleman]

old guy,
"As far as retieing and going to work some place else. You will start at day 1. And I don't know of any plan that will let you collect unless you meet the age requirements."

a few years ago the administrator for the IAMPNF came to explain the plan to fleet. She said that at 25 yrs you could retire and collect with some restrictions. but at 30 yrs

you could GO at any age and collect unrestricted .. So are you saying that is different from the mtc side or was that all a bunch B/S the administrator was telling. Also You

can not collect your Pension if you go out and work in any related field or a field that is represented by the IAM. My question is WHY . You already put your time in and vested

with usair . why should YOU not be entitled to your pension when you leave....

 

[Old Guy]

old guy,
"As far as retieing and going to work some place else. You will start at day 1. And I don't know of any plan that will let you collect unless you meet the age requirements."

a few years ago the administrator for the IAMPNF came to explain the plan to fleet. She said that at 25 yrs you could retire and collect with some restrictions. but at 30 yrs

you could GO at any age and collect unrestricted .. So are you saying that is different from the mtc side or was that all a bunch B/S the administrator was telling. Also You

can not collect your Pension if you go out and work in any related field or a field that is represented by the IAM. My question is WHY . You already put your time in and vested

with usair . why should YOU not be entitled to your pension when you leave....

ORIOLEMAN <_<

Can't say that I'm up on the 30 and out with IAMNPF. Lost my 85 point plan last time in court, early out is gone. So lets say you go to FEDX. Pay and benefits way better. As far as I was told you have to ASK if you can collect your retirement. And that some people that were collecting had to pay it back. So if you guys were vested. And had your 30 years / points ? You have to ask. That S#X! That is a bad point of the IAMNPF. But so is the 401k. If you don't roll it over the tax man is on your butt.

 

[orioleman]

thanks for the info

 

[orioleman]

Bill F. also said that if you don't want to wash your uniforms at home, then take then to the dry-cleaners and write it off on your taxes.
He also said that they need Space Positive because getting to TPA was to hard in the winter. He said that to buy a ticket would cost too much. Hey Biil F., buy the ticket, then write it off on your taxes.
Planemx, good posts #74-#75.

best advise I've heard all week

 

[roabilly]

Quote: allstrike

Its to throw the bone to a bunch of people and watch em run for it.Then get em all under one contract,with no protection.Article 3 is weak,real weak.Except for the COC wich has language in it that the company if merged will negotiate in good faith or it will go straight to mediation.There will be no 5 year wait.

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Can I please have some brave M&R member post the current (pre-integration)...
Article 3 (Status of Agreement) language in it’s entirety... on this forum
(I tried to locate this language on-line to no avail.)

The current proposed M&R T/A eliminates lines 14 through 31, paragraph E, of the existing agreement.

Let’s evaluate what is left of this language.... after the eliminations… together, in this open forum …line by line!

 

[Onestep2flt]

By the way, what is the word on the interior mechanics (AKA unlicensed Laborers) that US would like to use. Would that not be more of your work gone? Who would be signing the log book on the work they are doing? Enough with the outsourcing of your work. This is just not worth the 10% raise. Sounds like a concessionary agreement to me. More things to ponder over my friends.

 

[Planemx]

By the way, what is the word on the interior mechanics (AKA unlicensed Laborers) that US would like to use. Would that not be more of your work gone? Who would be signing the log book on the work they are doing? Enough with the outsourcing of your work. This is just not worth the 10% raise. Sounds like a concessionary agreement to me. More things to ponder over my friends.

Hello.....it IS a consessionary agreement - all you have to do is READ the current ramrod (I mean CBA).

 

[Real tired]

ARTICLE 3. 1
STATUS OF AGREEMENT 2
3
4
(A) It is expressly understood and agreed that when this Agreement is accepted by the 5
parties and signed by their authorized representatives, it will supersede any and all 6
agreements existing or previously executed between the Company and any Union or 7
individual affecting the crafts or classes of employees covered by this Agreement. 8
9
(B) It is understood and agreed that this Agreement will be binding upon any 10
successors to the present Corporation insofar as it is legally possible. In the event this is 11
not legally possible, the Company and the Union will meet prior to any change and 12
negotiate all possible protection for the employees. 13
14
&copy; It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock out any employees 15
covered hereby, and the Union will not authorize or take part in any strikes, sit downs, 16
slowdowns, or picketing of Company premises during the life of this Agreement until the 17
procedures for settling disputes as provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor 18
Act, as amended, have been exhausted. The Company will not require the employees to 19
cross picket lines of the Company's employees legally established under contractual 20
provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the premises. The individual or 21
concerted refusal to pass such picket lines shall not constitute grounds for discipline, 22
discharge, lay-off, or be considered a violation of this Agreement. 23
24
(D) The Company shall not perform “Struck Workâ€￾ of Wholly Owned Carriers and of 25
MDA. “Struck workâ€￾ is mechanic and related work traditionally and regularly performed 26
by a Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA where and during the period the mechanic and 27
related employees of that Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA are engaged in a lawful strike, 28
and where the Company has not previously performed the work in question. There shall 29
be no prohibition against a concerted refusal of employees of the Company to perform 30
Struck Work. Moreover, the Company will not hire employees of Wholly Owned 31
Carriers or MDA to perform Mechanic and Related work at the Company during a period 32
when the Company’s Mechanic and Related employees are engaged in a lawful strike. 33
34
(E) The Agreement shall be binding upon the Company and any Successor, defined as 35
a purchaser, assignee or transferee of all or substantially all of the assets or stock of the 36
Company or US Airways Group. Neither the Company nor US Airways Group shall 37
enter into an agreement with a Successor which creates a Successor Transaction unless 38
the Successor agrees, in writing, as a prior condition of the Successorship Transaction, to 39
cause the Company and US Airways Group to continue to be bound by the Agreement, as 40
it may be amended pursuant to the provisions of applicable law, and to cause any 41
operating airline which obtains the assets of the Company to honor and be bound by the 42
Agreement as it may be amended pursuant to the provisions of applicable law. 43
44
If a Successor is an air carrier, and the Successor conducts an operational merger 45
between the Company and the Successor or another air carrier, then the Successor will 46

 

[roabilly]

ARTICLE 3. 1
STATUS OF AGREEMENT 2
3
4
(A) It is expressly understood and agreed that when this Agreement is accepted by the 5
parties and signed by their authorized representatives, it will supersede any and all 6
agreements existing or previously executed between the Company and any Union or 7
individual affecting the crafts or classes of employees covered by this Agreement. 8
9
(B) It is understood and agreed that this Agreement will be binding upon any 10
successors to the present Corporation insofar as it is legally possible. In the event this is 11
not legally possible, the Company and the Union will meet prior to any change and 12
negotiate all possible protection for the employees. 13
14
© It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock out any employees 15
covered hereby, and the Union will not authorize or take part in any strikes, sit downs, 16
slowdowns, or picketing of Company premises during the life of this Agreement until the 17
procedures for settling disputes as provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor 18
Act, as amended, have been exhausted. The Company will not require the employees to 19
cross picket lines of the Company's employees legally established under contractual 20
provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the premises. The individual or 21
concerted refusal to pass such picket lines shall not constitute grounds for discipline, 22
discharge, lay-off, or be considered a violation of this Agreement. 23
24
(D) The Company shall not perform “Struck Workâ€￾ of Wholly Owned Carriers and of 25
MDA. “Struck workâ€￾ is mechanic and related work traditionally and regularly performed 26
by a Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA where and during the period the mechanic and 27
related employees of that Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA are engaged in a lawful strike, 28
and where the Company has not previously performed the work in question. There shall 29
be no prohibition against a concerted refusal of employees of the Company to perform 30
Struck Work. Moreover, the Company will not hire employees of Wholly Owned 31
Carriers or MDA to perform Mechanic and Related work at the Company during a period 32
when the Company’s Mechanic and Related employees are engaged in a lawful strike. 33
34
(E) The Agreement shall be binding upon the Company and any Successor, defined as 35
a purchaser, assignee or transferee of all or substantially all of the assets or stock of the 36
Company or US Airways Group. Neither the Company nor US Airways Group shall 37
enter into an agreement with a Successor which creates a Successor Transaction unless 38
the Successor agrees, in writing, as a prior condition of the Successorship Transaction, to 39
cause the Company and US Airways Group to continue to be bound by the Agreement, as 40
it may be amended pursuant to the provisions of applicable law, and to cause any 41
operating airline which obtains the assets of the Company to honor and be bound by the 42
Agreement as it may be amended pursuant to the provisions of applicable law. 43
44
If a Successor is an air carrier, and the Successor conducts an operational merger 45
between the Company and the Successor or another air carrier, then the Successor will 46

There should be a few more lines after 46? The lines from above... are not matching up with COC language.... or Art. 3 lines 14 tru 31, paragraph E.

 

[Real tired]

provide the Company employees with a seniority integration governed by Sections 2, 3 1
and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provision. 2
3
Upon a change in control defined as the sale of all or substantially all of the assets 4
or common stock of the Company or US Airways Group in a single transaction (or in 5
multi-step related transactions) to a single purchaser (or a group of purchasers acting in 6
concert), the hourly rates of pay under this agreement shall be increased to the rates 7
which would have been effective following the Pay Parity Adjustment in October 2003 8
under the Pay Parity Letter of Agreement. In addition to such hourly rates of pay, the 9
IAM will have the right to extend the duration of the IAM Restructuring Agreement for 10
one, two or three years at the IAM’s option, past the amendable date of the IAM 11
Restructuring Agreement, with across the board wage increases of four and one half 12
percent (4.5%) on the amendable date and on each of the three (3) annual anniversaries of 13
the amendable date thereafter (i.e. 12/31/08, 12/31/09 and 12/31/10). For the purposes of 14
this paragraph, “Common Stockâ€￾ is the Common Stock of US Airways Group then 15
outstanding and the Common Stock issuable on exchange, exercise, and/or conversion of 16
securities of the Company or US Airways Group which are then currently exchangeable 17
into, exercisable for, or convertible into such Common stock 18
19

 

[PayParity]

There should be a few more lines after 46? The lines from above... are not matching up with COC language.... or Art. 3 lines 14 tru 31, paragraph E.

Why not read it and post it yourself??? How many times do I have to post the link????

READ it and post

 

[roabilly]

O.K.

From what I've seen from the language posted above.... it looks like M&R COC is similar, if not identical to Fleet.

The elimination of "Snap Backs" was to be anticipated... as will be Fleet’s.

The question is… do we feel comfortable with the remaining language regarding Mergers & Acquisitions?

Correct me if I’m wrong…

I see only… definitive language protecting seniority… with the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provision (Which is also protected by the McCaskill-Bond Bill.)

In regards to everything else… if …I’m reading this correctly… the "rest" regarding a Merger or Acquisition is to be decided by the Company and the Union, along with an Arbitrator.... if needed… when all other legal possibilities are exhausted!

I think… we just saw what happens, when all "legal" possibilities are exhausted. Reference: the last arbitration case regarding COC!

 

[roabilly]

Why not read it and post it yourself??? How many times do I have to post the link????

READ it and post

Thanks…

Tryin’… to get all the info needed in regards to M&A protection, in the event we have to ratify a similar T/A.