IAM Mech. & Related Thread

[airplanes4sale]

You just wait and see who gets to vote it will not be just the dues paying members in good standing - getting the impression that the IAM would let the dues objectors vote if the vote the way the union wants

they are not dues objectors they are new hires that have not payed union dues for over a year. that means not even the $8.00 to the international and no initiation fees. they have told the union every other week that they were not taking any union dues out. they were afraid that all the money over the last year or so would come out all at once, but the union assured them there would not be any money from back dues coming out at all, but the union will make special arrangments for these people to vote mainly because they are low payed young people that have not lost anything in the past. i guess they feel these people will be a yes vote and once again help this union manipulate another vote in thier favor. i bet if everyone threatened to be dues objectors and cut off the local lodge leaders hawaii and las vegas convention trip money that you would get a little more backing from your local leaders and at the same time wake the international up to the point that they would be wondering what is going on with thier membership.

 

[Awa Contract]

I personally know of 1 case where a verified dues objector is on the list to be able to vote, not to mention those still on probation. And I have set across the table from this management team and I can promise you there was a cost for the positive space seats.

 

[700UW]

Like I stated, the merger and fragmentation protections remain in the CBA, only the COC snapback provisions are to be removed.

 

[PayParity]

Like I stated I asked allstrike and awausairtech the question about what protections were being removed from the CBA regarding a merger because they are the ones that made statements about "all (any) protection being removed"

 

[700UW]

I have stated the merger and fragmentation clauses are still in the CBA, the COC which would be snap back to pay parity rates is the only thing being removed.

 

[Planemx]

The costs are broken down and have been explained in the past, cant speak for the current.

Merger, acquisition and fragmentation protections are still in the CBA, the COC would be removed.

It's not just the COC .....it is the snapback provision language. The over $700 million cost (by the end of the contract) to the company - paid to M&R if we merged again with that verbiage left in. The iam gave that up for free....the company says remove it from the CBA and the iam says ok - but our NC gets to fly free.......good trade. The company needs that wording removed to play in the game - the iam just needs the members to pay dues, it would be nice if they made more - but more members paying dues at a lower rate is better than less members paying while getting paid more.

 

[PayParity]

allstrike and awausairtech I ask again what are the merger protections you claimed are being removed from the CBA regarding mergers?

 

[700UW]

The COC is the snapback provisions, it is one in the same.

The merger and fragmentation protections are still in the CBA.

Planemx, I guess you have never been in negotiations, have you?

They are give and take and compromise.

 

[PayParity]

The COC is the snapback provisions, it is one in the same.

That is not true. Technically all provisions for snapbacks were removed from the CBA.

Per CBA page 239 under the "Company to the IAM mechanical and related proposal"

Duration

1. Contract duration

Agreement through 12/31/09

All snapback provisions of the September 2002 and January 2003 Restructuring Agreements, which were due to take effect in December 2008 will be eliminated.

The so called COC pay parity adjustment is commonly and incorrectly being labeled as being part of the these snapback provisions.

 

[lithuanian]

This is our last request a to how OUR IAM negotiations will go.

Are mechanics solid on the COC? Are they solid on the PROFIT sharing? Are they solid on 2009 or 2011? And is the money more important.

Been reading both theads and it seems we're all mixed. No! negotiations will go right for Fleet until M&R gets their' correct!

GOOD LUCK! Hate the company!

 

[doom on you]

Headline News 04 APR 08: USairways and IAM reach agreement. Yesterday union members from M&R at USairways once again ROLLED OVER and voted in favor of some T&A agreement that the IAM sold to it's membership. From our man on the street reporting live from Tempe, what do you have for us??

Reporter:"Well there's one hell of a party going on here in the parking lot at USAirway's Headquarters, I see DoUgIe talking to a few people, let's see if I can get up close. HEY THERE MR. BARKER, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE!!"

Mr. Barker:" Sh!t, your not the police are you, it's just near beer?"

Reporter:" No, no just a reporter wondering how you got to IAM to vote yes to this BS T/A?"

Mr.Barker:" Is this what this is about, all I heard was free beer. Wait a minute there is someone from my N/C here, maybe he can answer your questions. HEY BILL F. COME HERE, NOW!"

Bill F.:" Yes Sir Mr.Barker, what can I do for you now?"

Mr. Barker:" I want you to tell this man how you got a yes vote."

Bill F." It's easy, we at the IAM like to keep it simple. We say we got you in the IAM pension fund, but we don't tell them , once you retire, you can't get another job in your craft. We tell them give up 50% of the Baby Bus work, and maybe we will put jobs in PIT. Things like that."

Mr. Barker:" Hey, I thought you won the Baby Bus work?"

Bill F.:" We did, but now it's gone, but I can fly Space Positive."

Reporter:" Any pay raises?"

Bill F." Hell yes, I take care of my West Brothers. If I didn't, they couldn't afford the new Medical Plan. Ha,Ha!"

Reporter:" You two are great together. That's all from Tempe, I need a beer.'

VOTE NO!

 

[Old Guy]

Hey up all night

The point that I was trying to make was the amount of time till we would have a new contract. The weight of the vote for the T/A will be by the younger guy's ,with all the family fun stuff. Except for pay ,there isn't a thing in the T/A for guy's with under five years left. The retirement plan is almost a wash. With the retiement paying out a wee bit more. The garbage that we have now for an agreement is worse than the T/A. But I can live with it.

You would think that with the company needing labor peace, that this T/A would offer more. As in some of the things lost. 14 hrs for the first 8 , then double time. Seven weeks vacation. Eight hour day. Or better medical. But you would need management for that. They think that they can teach leadership. Doesn't happen. Might know all the bells and whistles ,but can't use them. I think that that ended with the draft. Under fire the leaders always showed up. But that was another life time.

 

[320tech]

Did Andy Marshall or any other IBT reps get positive space travel on HP for UB?

None of the union people got positive space, but all things were handled in Phoenix where they are all based.

 

[320tech]

I have a failure to understand what you are talking about regarding your #2 statement. Can you be specific on what rules please?

I can tell you in my case I have had the company change our cost on drugs that can't be changed under our ibt contract and we have greaved it and the iam is sitting on it. we have won this greavance before and it's documented this should be handled now not blown off. and also in our contract we can opt for a early out 30 min instead of o.t. pay for working through lunch and the new director in phx will not let us leave 30 min early when nothing is going on. we filed a greavance and he threatened the greavance comm. by telling them he will take our 4-3 schedual away if they pursue it!

Can either /or both of you please be specific on what exactly is being taken out of the CBA by the TA that takes away "any protection" in case of a merger. The articles and lines would be helpful. Thank you

How about selling out the heavy checks on the narrow body airbusses. they will be sending out more contract work with this. and there goes your protection for Pit. and also less line mx stations in new contract.

 

[PayParity]

How about selling out the heavy checks on the narrow body airbusses. they will be sending out more contract work with this. and there goes your protection for Pit. and also less line mx stations in new contract.

None of what you posted has anything to do with what you said in your first post and what I asked you to explain with examples.

Don't worry I knew you wouldn't be able to answer. For one thing I knew it was not true about the CBA having all protections removed so I figured your statements in #2 were not true either.